That's fair, and I absolutely agree with Petras being a better "fit". I just think that Mansell will have something to say about that, because everything I've heard says he's a competitor.
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RobHowe
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Brian is hands on in recruiting to an extent. I think with this setup, as we saw in November and December, KOK has the keys to the QB recruiting car. He's the one who went out and evaluated the prospects Iowa offered late this year, including Petras. I think that will remain how they do business. KOK doesn't have complete autonomy, but he's leading the way.
Do I think who recruited players comes into play when they're evaluated by coaches when they arrive on campus? No.
I will say that Davis was attempting to run a different offense than what has been the norm around here for the last 20 years. I don't think it's a coincidence that Boyle and Cook didn't work out at QB here because their skill set does not fit what this system wants at the position. I think that also could be an issue for Mansell. We'll see. He spins it pretty well but part of his game is using his legs. Will Iowa utilize that? I have my doubts.
Do I think who recruited players comes into play when they're evaluated by coaches when they arrive on campus? No.
I will say that Davis was attempting to run a different offense than what has been the norm around here for the last 20 years. I don't think it's a coincidence that Boyle and Cook didn't work out at QB here because their skill set does not fit what this system wants at the position. I think that also could be an issue for Mansell. We'll see. He spins it pretty well but part of his game is using his legs. Will Iowa utilize that? I have my doubts.
Knight78
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Dan McGwire says hi.
That makes the most sense. Good bad or indifferent I can see why they'd be doing it that way. I'm sure a lot of eyes will be interested to see how the two other QBs look this spring. Even though Stanleys got 2 more years where I doubt he's unseated for the gig it's just highly unlikely he'll stay healthy enough to take every meaningful snap between now and then. Mansells HS tape from what I remember was pretty darn impressive I thought. Yet Petras is big has a gun and put up video game numbers at a pretty good level of HS play. It's a good situation to be in for BF, KOK and staff.
I agree. This is all opinion. I think even in Iowa’s system, mobility needs to get a little more attention. Seems the rest of college football is finding success with more mobile kids. Just an observation.
homes
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I agree, a mobile QB in college is a definite plus. But, this is not who Iowa is looking for, although at one time it seemed like it was, so we'll just have to deal with it as fans. Stanley's immobility is a limitation, I'm hoping he gets better pocket awareness next year, he doesn't have to scramble, but he needs to be aware of pressure and adjust, a la Brady, Brees, P. Manning.
MoseSchrute
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The fact that they probably won't or don't want to is the definition of stupidity in the modern college game.
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Fryowa
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I’m actually okay with the pass first QB style that Iowa uses. Its just how the pass plays are called and the head scratching run up the gut ad nauseum that frustrates me.
Dual threat QBs work well in the Big 12 and PAC 12 because of how spread out the offenses are. In B1G play it’d be nothing more than a QB who’d have a slightly better chance at scrambling out of an option.
Unless you spread it out and we aren’t set up for that. You have to build a whole team around a dual threat QB, you can’t just insert one.
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HawkeyeWalker
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I'm all for pro style, pass first qb system with having a good ground game. That said, when you look at the skill sets of the qbs from the best seasons of the last 16 years (Banks, Tate, CJ)...having good mobility...seems like a good idea. We don't need a full on runner, just one to avoid pressure and pick up a few yards to move chains....Stanzi notwithstanding . Stanley can run pretty well at times, imo, straight line.... I'd like to see him tuck a run a touch more.
Fryowa
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CJ was more like Ben Roethlisberger. Kind of a (relatively) slow, lumbering runner that was just mobile enough to get out of trouble and make a pass. It wasn’t pretty but it was effective.
Seth53
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Eh? When healthy (i.e. his first year as starter vs ISU), his legs were very much part of his game.
HawkeyeWalker
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Beathard I meant.
Knight78
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Dual threat QBs in college are more the norm now, but their chances of injury are exponentially greater simply because they are runners as well and take more hits because of it. That is why very few pro teams are read-option teams with a running QB - that plus the fact that in college a fast, quick QB can elude most college players but that doesn't hold true in the NFL.
trj
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Your 3rd paragraph was the key to your whole post. A lot of Brad Banks runs were quarterback draws, designed plays, not RPO(s) or him ad libing. That changed a bit with Tate where he made plays with his feet after the play broke down.
It just depends on the QB and playcalling. I'd rather have one then not. That said Iowa can be plenty successful with Stanley. With the right play calling and surrounding talent Iowa can do pretty darn well. I think having a mobile dual threat QB expands your playbook and gives defenses more to prep up for. You don't have to run him a ton for his effectiveness to be felt.
I think some coaches (KF) may be gun shy with putting all their eggs in a dual threat QB because catering an offense to one and then losing him to injury and not having another guy to put in there that can just pick up right where he left off isn't easy. (Unless your Bama)
It'll be fun to see how Mansell looks this spring when we can get a better look at him and Petras both.
I think some coaches (KF) may be gun shy with putting all their eggs in a dual threat QB because catering an offense to one and then losing him to injury and not having another guy to put in there that can just pick up right where he left off isn't easy. (Unless your Bama)
It'll be fun to see how Mansell looks this spring when we can get a better look at him and Petras both.
SteveGarvey1
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There's no reason you can't have a general, pro-style offense yet mix in a few RPO packages in there.
Ree4
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I was actually impressed how Stanley improved with his pocket presence as the season went on. I thought he felt pressure well and was pretty tough to bring down.
Early in the season though it seemed like he fumbled whenever he got sacked
ChosenChildren
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I completely understand why kids want to transfer and play somewhere else. On the other hand, sometimes historical opportunities are missed when a kid transfers. One that immediately comes to mind is Jake Christiansen. In Jake's junior year (2008) he is beaten out by Ricki Stanzi, and transfers. He would have been #2 QB in 2009, Iowa's great Orange Bowl team. In the 10th game of that season, Stanzi went down with a severe injury against NW. Jake would have been #2, and possibly would have led that team to a VICTORY against Northwestern, which would have secured a Big Ten regular season title. Since he transferred, a very inexperienced QB (Vandenberg) was thrust into the game, and Iowa lost. If Jake had remained patient and stays, who knows how that season would have panned out (Jake would have started the game the next week against Ohio State as well). What these kids fail to see is that #2 at a Power 5 conference team means that you are ONE PLAY from being #1. Injuries happen to QBs all the time in the Big Ten. NW's QB went down in the bowl game, and the #2 led them to victory (a senior by the way, who patiently waited for his chance).
Totally agree with you on both takes. He did get better and that's something you can only improve on with more reps and experience. That OSU game he was great. I thought the play where he went through all his reads before checking it down to Wadley as the pocket was on him was amazing. If he wasn't as big and strong as he is he couldn't have made that play. And it was one the first 2 or 3 weeks of the year he wouldn't have been able to makeI was actually impressed how Stanley improved with his pocket presence as the season went on. I thought he felt pressure well and was pretty tough to bring down.
Early in the season though it seemed like he fumbled whenever he got sacked
