I may be wrong here, but can't you redshirt a player to start off the season and then play them if everyone else were to get hurt? You would lose the extra year of eligibility, but you could still do it if you needed/wanted to. So if you don't think a freshmen is going to play or see the field much, if at all, why wouldn't you redshirt him? Or am I misunderstanding the rules and the way it works?
Rudock and Leshun Daniels bits
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I may be wrong here, but can't you redshirt a player to start off the season and then play them if everyone else were to get hurt? You would lose the extra year of eligibility, but you could still do it if you needed/wanted to. So if you don't think a freshmen is going to play or see the field much, if at all, why wouldn't you redshirt him? Or am I misunderstanding the rules and the way it works?
bphawkeye
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well - in those days - jc was a 4*, and had some time playing (not that much success - but time) so i can only assume that jc (as a son of an nfl guy - recruited to play qb would only come to iowa if he had a great chance to star). rs was a bit not polished and not that many reps the prior season. umm - not sure where a race existed ...
I do expect Rudock to perform better than Christensen. Rudock appears to be an accurate passer which already puts him well out of Jake's league.
tm3308
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Your point is irrelevant to this particular discussion (although I agree with you on the "race" in 2007). The point is that Stanzi developed to the point where he beat out Christensen down the road, and people now wonder if Beathard may do the same with Rudock.
thejumper5
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I'm going to need to check with HawkFaninTX about exact redshirt rules, but you're right. The coaches are absolutely able to plan to redshirt a guy and then "pull his shirt" whenever they want. This is what happened with Coker in 2010 after Hampton got hurt.
tm3308
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We were prepared to do the same thing with Rogers in 2009, too.
thejumper5
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Rogers is a great example of what I mean when I say that RBs shouldn't redshirt if they are able to bring anything to the table. He could have brought something to the table in '09, but instead the coaches redshirted him. It turns out that 4 years later, he has to retire and can't play his senior year. Iowa never (well, rarely, but you know what I mean) has RBs play 4 consecutive years, so I don't think it does much to have a healthy RB redshirt.
bphawkeye
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it was not relevant to the discussion at hand - but the dude presented it - and i responded. that is all.
I think this is the play - YAC was pretty neat. Were we seeing the beginning of the Damon Powell era @ Iowa today?
Sokol-Powell TD - Iowa Kids Day - YouTube
hawkdrummer1
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Kirk. i don't give a damn what position it is...where the kid is from...what his name is... or what year he is. PLAY THE MOST TALENTED PLAYERS!!! Let them make a mistake or two. They sure as hell won't learn sitting on the bench.
PLAY TO WIN! Not to manage risk.
PLAY TO WIN! Not to manage risk.
tm3308
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We didn't lose a single game in 2009 that was the direct result of Rogers not playing (or even of some kind of running game failure, in general). Maybe he could have made us slightly better, but not in a way that improved the end results. That should be the way you evaluate whether a guy should play or not: Does he change what you feel the end result will be, or not? If not, then it's probably not worth burning the redshirt.
theboat
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Smiths was before that, but that was good
Nominating this as post of the year. Reminds me of the Hayden Fry attitude. Go HAWKS!
JonDMiller
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LOL. One of my favorite fan criticisms through the years....as if the best players who give Iowa a chance to win are not seeing the field.
You really think that coaches get it right 100% of the time? I think its pretty clear that Kirk always goes with the "safe" choice when deciding who plays. There is no way that the safe choice is the right one every single time.
bphawkeye
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i think in many instances a good coach can put more than 1 player out there (alternately). i think adam shada should have been relieved by brad fletcher more than once in the course of a game. and RB - in total should be more of a chance for guys to shine on a rotating basis (not the run the 1 guy into the ground system that seems to have followed since greene). OL and DL - it must be that way of rotating players - but i think iowa i slow to do that. perhaps no confidence in the depth of the team by the coach?
FreedComanche
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I actually like some of the moves I heard that kf is doing this fall. But you are right. He does not always have the best players on the field. I mean, no coach does 100% of the time like you said, but there are several examples that are very evident where he does not have the best players out there. I think and hope that changes this year. Him not red shirting Daniels speaks volumes to me.
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Billso
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Well... the YAC was due to #36's decision not to tackle Powell (second time he engaged, after missing him the first time). Nothing against Powell at all, but this play tells us very little.
Hawknick
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