Roy vs Devyn & Future of Iowa Hoops
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I agree with this. I don't think his numbers will increase much because I don't think he will have the ball in his hands nearly as much as he does this year. Next season there will be other guys on the roster who can create finally, which could hurt Marble's stats but help the team as a whole.
Marble will always get some just by being a good fit in Fran's uptempo system.
Thawki
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As long as we are looking ahead, Jon, I would comment on your prediction that Marble will run the point in his junior and senior years. I just don't see it. I believe Gesell will start at the point from day one. I am not saying he will have it handed to him. I am saying he will demand it by virtue of his talent and work ethic. He can be statistically what Horner was as a freshman, and if that is the case there is no way he isn't starting from day one.
All in all, as someone that was at Iowa when Roy was, I really liked the piece. And for the record, I was on board last year with you, Jon, when you said Devyn had such huge upside and there were others that couldn't see it because they just can't see anything if it doesn't happen right away.
In some ways, fans on message boards are like college athletes that leave for another school if they don't get enough playing time right away. Some fans think if someone isn't a star right when they walk onto campus that they are a waste to the team that aspires to be really good. The less knowledgeable fans can't even see that a guy has the tools to blossom as a sophomore when he looks a little less than stellar as a freshman. And then they jump all over the guys on the message boards and make us all look bad.
It seems like those fans usually have the loudest horn, too, when they start blowing their own horn about what they think they know. Many on this board, as another poster pointed out, did the same thing with McCabe when they saw him last year. They publicly dog a guy and say how he will never amount to anything. Then, this year when he is coming around and playing good they all jump on the band wagon, even if they have to admit they were not a huge fan of his last year. Of course, they have already publicly trashed the guy, so what does it matter if they are now a huge fan. The damage has been done in terms of making our fan base look bad.
By the way, I am not against criticism in a public forum. I just don't like over the top comments from people that don't really know what they are talking about.
All in all, as someone that was at Iowa when Roy was, I really liked the piece. And for the record, I was on board last year with you, Jon, when you said Devyn had such huge upside and there were others that couldn't see it because they just can't see anything if it doesn't happen right away.
In some ways, fans on message boards are like college athletes that leave for another school if they don't get enough playing time right away. Some fans think if someone isn't a star right when they walk onto campus that they are a waste to the team that aspires to be really good. The less knowledgeable fans can't even see that a guy has the tools to blossom as a sophomore when he looks a little less than stellar as a freshman. And then they jump all over the guys on the message boards and make us all look bad.
It seems like those fans usually have the loudest horn, too, when they start blowing their own horn about what they think they know. Many on this board, as another poster pointed out, did the same thing with McCabe when they saw him last year. They publicly dog a guy and say how he will never amount to anything. Then, this year when he is coming around and playing good they all jump on the band wagon, even if they have to admit they were not a huge fan of his last year. Of course, they have already publicly trashed the guy, so what does it matter if they are now a huge fan. The damage has been done in terms of making our fan base look bad.
By the way, I am not against criticism in a public forum. I just don't like over the top comments from people that don't really know what they are talking about.
sportstalent
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Well, we agreed once Jay, guess that honeymoon is over.
If the offense doesn't go through Marble next season, especially if he continues to work in the offseason, then there will be something wrong.
I do agree that there will be others that will be able to create, but I think Marble will demand the ball and be Iowa's true go-to player that they haven't had since, well, it has been so long...
If Marble doesn't start at the PG early, it will mean that Gesell or Clemmons is for real. I have been in Marble's corner as a PG for three years, since he said he was coming. He made a transition in HS and all his numbers improved and he didn't play garbage competition in HS.
The only real issues for Marble are if he can fill out his frame and get a solid 3-pt shot.
Marble right now wants the ball, think of how much more effective he will be when he gets stronger.
Can he get that much stronger? I just love that Iowa will have multiple players on the floor who will be able to get their own shot for the first time in a very long time. It will be interesting to see how Fran uses Marble next season. I wouldn't be shocked if your view became reality either.
I have to admit that I didn't think Marble was going to work well as a pg. In the times I saw him (elite camp, North Lib, last season) he was too much of a gunner who never considered passing. That hasn't been an issue this year at all which is nice to see. Even when he is taking tough shots I don't mind because he is the only one who can get a look by himself.
tm3308
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And the vast majority of the time, those are very good looks, too. He still forces a few shots, but most of them are good shots even if they don't always fall.
I think he'll still be our PG next year at the very least. Perhaps he doesn't have the quickest of quicks, but he's quick enough to handle the majority of D-1 point guards. Plus, his size is a matchup nightmare for nearly every team. Most teams don't have 6'6"/6'7" point guards. Also, if he plays the point it allows Gesell to be more flexible and play the 2 at times, and it allows him to be brought along a little more carefully.
JonDMiller
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Thawki,
Storminspank was waaaay more on the Devyn bandwagon last year than I was
Storminspank was waaaay more on the Devyn bandwagon last year than I was
Tmoney12
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Gesell spoting up while Marble creates could be a thing of beauty.
It helps that there have only been like 4 actual BCS players between Smith and Marble.
deanvogs
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I think the most important thing is we will have 3 players capable of playing the PG position next year from the get go. This give Fran options, as he has Marble who can play the 1-3 spots, he will have White who can play the 3/4, McCabe & Basabe to play the 4, he will have Woodbury, Meyer, Olesani manning the 5, or could slide McCabe to the 5 for a smaller lineup. He will have options at the 2 spot with Ogelsby, Marble, Ingram, even Gesell.....The point is Fran can play match ups, can play the hot hand, etc. He will actually have a full roster of all D1 caliber players, and it will be fun to watch what he can do with those guys.
Tmoney12
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Including this years roster?
I REALLY like what Marble has done as a PG since he got thrust into the position early last year. You cannot do anything but praise doing the job he has done and his productivity. Still I say that thinking playing off the ball is where the team could use him more. The rare instance where he and Bryce are on the court at the same time, he always makes a nice cut to the basket for a hoop.
Watching Devyn, I still am not 100% comfortable watching him bring the ball up the court. I get nervous when he gets pressured because his handle isnt as tight as you'd like it, and because of his frame he can be bumped off balance easier than you'd like. That's my ONLY complaint. He seems to do well though and doesn't put himself in positions where his weaknessed can be exploited.
I'd just rather see 2 guys whose natural position is PG play there and move Devyn to the wing.
JonDMiller
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I think there is merit to these opinions. Marble is not a blow by guy off the top, with the other team's quicker PG guarding him..he can do more damage attacking the middle off the wing, and it has been interesting to see that he seems to be most comfortable attacking from the right wing, which means using his left hand as the outside hand to get to the middle.
1977Hawkeye
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I'm impressed with Marble's body control, and seems to have a good instinct for when to back it out, when to take it to the rack, and when to pull up for the medium range J in the paint. In other words, he seems very good at picking his spots and taking what the defense gives him.
It seems like most players are far too determined to take it all the way to the rack and end up getting called for an offensive foul, or losing the ball in traffic. The mid-range game is a lost art, but not in Devyn's case.
It seems like most players are far too determined to take it all the way to the rack and end up getting called for an offensive foul, or losing the ball in traffic. The mid-range game is a lost art, but not in Devyn's case.
Thinking more in terms of the guys Lick brought in.
storminspank
Justin VanLaere
Yeah, your prediction was stupid.
Signed,
The guy that thought Iowa's third season under Lickliter wouldn't be a complete disaster and that Iowa would be better than everyone thought
jacknicholson
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Devyn just might have established himself as the Point Guard. He has done remarkably well, scoring and playing almost turnover free. He is the most able to create his own shot. Aaron White is not far behind, but Devyn is special and has turned into the money man when a crucial shot is needed.
I really don't think it matters who is labeled the point guard when Devyn and Mike Gessel are on the floor. They can play both positions. It shouldn't be that difficult for Mike to adjust to, having played with Marcus Paige in AAU for two or three years, and this coming Summer.
Devyn has always reminded me of Jake Kelly. He is following in his father's footsteps nicely. Roy has always been my favorite Hawkeye. I remember him being so quick that he would be called for traveling frequently because his feet were moving before the ball hit the floor.
Mr. Davis's first season was my favorite Hawkeye team. They should have been National Champs that year. I was at the Kingdome for the UNLV game and remember the article in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer. The headline read: Did the best team lose?
We should have gone to the Final Four Marble, Horton, and BJ's last season. Tom Davis has royally upset when he found out that Ray Thompson was declared ineligible by Hunter Rawlins who was reacting to the Sports Agent Trial in Chicago that painted the University of Iowa as the Villain. Ronnie Harmon riding his motor scooter around and all. Rawlings got out of town fast after that travesty. Ray might have been our best defender. His arms hung down to his knees. He could have stopped Rodney Monroe from hitting all the threes that spelled our doom. As Jon mentioned that is still irritating.
I can see Fran eventually having a three guard combo at times. Both Ingram and Clemmons are defensive specialists, and along with Devyn Will create mega problems for the opposition.
Fran will have the luxury of multiple combinations to work with starting next year. It will be a whole new ball game.....
It's all good.....
1manwolfpack
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Jon - I don't recall Roy ever being called Baby Jordan. I believe that title was given to Harold Minor from USC (another Raveling recruit). Not sure whether I'm impressed or embarrassed that I remember that.
