Rothstein Files: This And That Around College*Basketball

[UncleHawk]

I have Marble in the lineup, nobody is unseating him, the fact is that White is a better player than McCabe and Basabe, those two will be great role players off the bench. The effect may be that Olaseni may be on the short end of playing time as I think Woodbury will play quite a bit even if he doesn't start. The improvement of Olaseni is what will determine who gets the least playing time and I really think Meyer will be redshirted.

You think Oglesby is one-dimensional and McCabe isn't?

McCabe cannot pass, his dribbling skills are not much better than May's, but he can shoot the three ball. He also struggles catching the ball on the move, or in traffic. You really think he is a better option on the wing than Oglesby because he shoots better? If you think Oglesby can't play defense either apparently you haven't been watching McCabe, he can't defend big guys not moving his feet, how do you think he will defend any player he plays against on the wing? Don't think I am overreacting, I just don't agree with you at all. I like McCabe in the role of playing on the 2nd unit to provide all kinds of matchup issues with other teams 4/5 players. That is where he can be utilized with his quality shooting and running the floor.
Look, he has started a lot of games for Iowa, but is he a guy that you can look at and watch play and think he is a starter in the BIG? If you do, then you absolutely do not agree with me and that is okay. Here is another thing to think about, who is the better player when both are on...McCabe or Basabe...Basabe...who has a bigger impact on the team when they play well McCabe or Basabe...Basabe. I have no issues with Zach other than a group of fans that think he is better than he really is and that comes from being not very good and having little to no viable options. Iowa needs a player like McCabe to make an NCAA tourney run, but he cannot be a guy that you can depend for a night in and night out performance of worth because he hasn't done it in his career yet and he has played a ton.

Hands down Oglesby is the best passer of any of the returning players and it isn't even close, his problem early in the season was players weren't looking for the ball...I remember one that hit McCabe in the face and another that went right by Basabe in the same game. Oglesby had good ball handling ability and he has a nice turnaround jumpshot from 14/16 ft. He will make a big leap from year 1 to year 2.

Iowa's outside shooting will be improved with Gesell on board and when Oglesby makes his leap from year 1 to year 2. He watched what it takes to be a player in the BIG by watching how hard Gatens worked. I don't think he took that lightly by watching how well Gatens played last season. The other thing that Ogelsby has going for him is that he is highly intelligent basketball player, that could be the most important factor for him when all is said and done.

Marble had a 2/1 A/T ratio playing a lot of PG last year. JO could be 2nd best returning passer.

One thing I did notice out of PTL stats was how well McCabe and JO shot the 3-ball. IF one of them is shooting well, they'll see a lot of minutes.

 

[Tmoney12]

McCabe is a much better rebounder than Oglesby. I noticed you left that out of the equation. McCabe also puts forth more effort than anyone on the floor, and is bigger and more athletic than Oglesby. You criticize McCabe for not demonstrating that he is somebody you can depend on night in and night out. Has Oglesby ever demonstrated this? Did anyone really fit that bill last year besides Marble, White and Gatens?

And I expect Oglesby to be better next year but he just has some physical limitations that I think will keep him out of the starting lineup at least until Marble and McCabe graduate. Oglesby strikes me a Devan Bawinkel type. Good at what he does, doesn't try to force parts of his game that aren't there, can shoot the rock if open, but needs to work on a quicker release.

Jo is wayyyyy better then bowinkle was.

 

[ddiction]

Jo is wayyyyy better then bowinkle was.

I think Oglesby is better than Bawinkel too. But the rest of the team is also a lot better than it was when Bawinkel was around. My point is simply that my starting five wouldn't include Oglesby, and he's either got to shoot in the mid 40s from three or develop some other aspects to his game in order to change that.

 

[OatesStache]

I think Oglesby is better than Bawinkel too. But the rest of the team is also a lot better than it was when Bawinkel was around. My point is simply that my starting five wouldn't include Oglesby, and he's either got to shoot in the mid 40s from three or develop some other aspects to his game in order to change that.

Agreed

 

[9YRPLAN]

gesell really isnt a great shooter. i would be surprised if he shoots over 30% from 3 this year. its just a really tough adjustment to the big ten.

 

[doclee]

I love this discussion! For one thing, we are not playing the insult game...thanks for that. And, the real theme of these posts may be unstated: This is a deep team in terms of talent. The trick for Fran may be to try to keep everyone happy by distributing the minutes. Now, I am not saying that we have elite talent for the Big Ten...time will tell. And, chemistry is still the key to a really successful basketball team. I would love to define chemistry and identify its components; however, if I could do that, I would be coaching in the Big Ten. If Fran can find the key to chemistry for this group, it could be a stunning year for the Hawks.

 

[jacknicholson]

Wonder what the Iowa Basketball Coach thinks of Oglesby......

 

[David79]

Really doesn't matter if Oglesby starts because he will see plenty of minutes either way.

 

[jacknicholson]

I have Marble in the lineup, nobody is unseating him, the fact is that White is a better player than McCabe and Basabe, those two will be great role players off the bench. The effect may be that Olaseni may be on the short end of playing time as I think Woodbury will play quite a bit even if he doesn't start. The improvement of Olaseni is what will determine who gets the least playing time and I really think Meyer will be redshirted.

You think Oglesby is one-dimensional and McCabe isn't?

McCabe cannot pass, his dribbling skills are not much better than May's, but he can shoot the three ball. He also struggles catching the ball on the move, or in traffic. You really think he is a better option on the wing than Oglesby because he shoots better? If you think Oglesby can't play defense either apparently you haven't been watching McCabe, he can't defend big guys not moving his feet, how do you think he will defend any player he plays against on the wing? Don't think I am overreacting, I just don't agree with you at all. I like McCabe in the role of playing on the 2nd unit to provide all kinds of matchup issues with other teams 4/5 players. That is where he can be utilized with his quality shooting and running the floor.
Look, he has started a lot of games for Iowa, but is he a guy that you can look at and watch play and think he is a starter in the BIG? If you do, then you absolutely do not agree with me and that is okay. Here is another thing to think about, who is the better player when both are on...McCabe or Basabe...Basabe...who has a bigger impact on the team when they play well McCabe or Basabe...Basabe. I have no issues with Zach other than a group of fans that think he is better than he really is and that comes from being not very good and having little to no viable options. Iowa needs a player like McCabe to make an NCAA tourney run, but he cannot be a guy that you can depend for a night in and night out performance of worth because he hasn't done it in his career yet and he has played a ton.

Hands down Oglesby is the best passer of any of the returning players and it isn't even close, his problem early in the season was players weren't looking for the ball...I remember one that hit McCabe in the face and another that went right by Basabe in the same game. Oglesby had good ball handling ability and he has a nice turnaround jumpshot from 14/16 ft. He will make a big leap from year 1 to year 2.

Iowa's outside shooting will be improved with Gesell on board and when Oglesby makes his leap from year 1 to year 2. He watched what it takes to be a player in the BIG by watching how hard Gatens worked. I don't think he took that lightly by watching how well Gatens played last season. The other thing that Ogelsby has going for him is that he is highly intelligent basketball player, that could be the most important factor for him when all is said and done.

Good thoughtful post, Sportstalent......

Josh's talent is more than obvious. He is probably the most sure-handed passer on the team. I remember that behind the back pass to McCabe that went through his hands. He simply wasn't ready for it. I really liked the play. Fran yanked him immediately. It was a very good pass that was completely unexpected. Josh is a pure shooter and we are going to be surrpised at just how good he is this year......

It really doesn't matter, in Fran's system, who starts. All who deverve will get time on the floor.....

Getting closer and closer to basketball time.....

 

[tm3308]

McCabe is a much better rebounder than Oglesby. I noticed you left that out of the equation. McCabe also puts forth more effort than anyone on the floor, and is bigger and more athletic than Oglesby. You criticize McCabe for not demonstrating that he is somebody you can depend on night in and night out. Has Oglesby ever demonstrated this? Did anyone really fit that bill last year besides Marble, White and Gatens?

And I expect Oglesby to be better next year but he just has some physical limitations that I think will keep him out of the starting lineup at least until Marble and McCabe graduate. Oglesby strikes me a Devan Bawinkel type. Good at what he does, doesn't try to force parts of his game that aren't there, can shoot the rock if open, but needs to work on a quicker release.

Why are we even having the McCabe/Oglesby discussion? One is a power forward who spent most of last year at center, and the other is a shooting guard in the mold of Matt Gatens. They aren't competing for the same spot or role in the lineup.

McCabe, ideally, is a great role player off the bench. And the front court should be deep enough now for that to be the case.

Oglesby could easily start at the 2. Marble would then start at the 3. And if you paid attention, you'd know that Oglesby can be a great passer. There were numerous times when he made a brilliant pass, only to have the target not expect it to come. A/TO ratio doesn't tell the whole story when trying to find the best passer. It's a great stat for measuring efficiency and decision-making. It basically measures a player's ability to know his limitations; what windows can I fit a pass through? Which ones can't I?

Oglesby can make great passes, ones that very few, if any, on this roster can make. That's not to say Marble can't, but don't use just A/TO to prove he's the best passer, because it doesn't tell the whole story.

 

[9YRPLAN]

i am also in the camp that thinks a backcourt of gesell, JO, and marble may be our best.

 

[ddiction]

Why are we even having the McCabe/Oglesby discussion? One is a power forward who spent most of last year at center, and the other is a shooting guard in the mold of Matt Gatens. They aren't competing for the same spot or role in the lineup.

McCabe, ideally, is a great role player off the bench. And the front court should be deep enough now for that to be the case.

Oglesby could easily start at the 2. Marble would then start at the 3. And if you paid attention, you'd know that Oglesby can be a great passer. There were numerous times when he made a brilliant pass, only to have the target not expect it to come. A/TO ratio doesn't tell the whole story when trying to find the best passer. It's a great stat for measuring efficiency and decision-making. It basically measures a player's ability to know his limitations; what windows can I fit a pass through? Which ones can't I?

Oglesby can make great passes, ones that very few, if any, on this roster can make. That's not to say Marble can't, but don't use just A/TO to prove he's the best passer, because it doesn't tell the whole story.

The fact that Oglesby and McCabe don't play the same position doesn't mean they aren't in competition with each other for starter minutes.

You could run Gesell, Marble, McCabe, White and Basabe/Olaseni/Woodbury just as easily as a lineup of Gesell, Oglesby, Marble, White and Basabe/Olaseni/Woodbury. I prefer the former. With two point guards already on the floor we don't really need to bring in a third distributor. Give them a better scorer and rebounder in McCabe instead.

 

[tm3308]

The fact that Oglesby and McCabe don't play the same position doesn't mean they aren't in competition with each other for starter minutes.

You could run Gesell, Marble, McCabe, White and Basabe/Olaseni/Woodbury just as easily as a lineup of Gesell, Oglesby, Marble, White and Basabe/Olaseni/Woodbury. I prefer the former. With two point guards already on the floor we don't really need to bring in a third distributor. Give them a better scorer and rebounder in McCabe instead.

McCabe isn't a small forward, and playing him as one consistently is not the way to utilize his talents. He's not athletic enough for that spot. He presents a matchup problem offensively because he forces bigs to come out of the paint because they have to respect his shot. But against other small forwards, it's Zach who faces the mismatch on both ends. He's not quick enough to defend guys on the perimeter with consistency. And while he rebounds alright in the paint, how will he fare if he's consistently trying to rebound from the wing?

In addition, I think you're seriously underestimating Oglesby's athleticism. By no means do I consider him a great athlete. But Matt Gatens was once thought athletically limited, too. And I think we can agree that we'd have him in the starting lineup this year. Oglesby isn't a great athlete, but he's more than just a spot-up shooter, too. I personally feel the team needs a good outside shooter in the starting lineup, and Oglesby at the 2 works better than McCabe at the 3.

 

[jacknicholson]

Why are we even having the McCabe/Oglesby discussion? One is a power forward who spent most of last year at center, and the other is a shooting guard in the mold of Matt Gatens. They aren't competing for the same spot or role in the lineup.

McCabe, ideally, is a great role player off the bench. And the front court should be deep enough now for that to be the case.

Oglesby could easily start at the 2. Marble would then start at the 3. And if you paid attention, you'd know that Oglesby can be a great passer. There were numerous times when he made a brilliant pass, only to have the target not expect it to come. A/TO ratio doesn't tell the whole story when trying to find the best passer. It's a great stat for measuring efficiency and decision-making. It basically measures a player's ability to know his limitations; what windows can I fit a pass through? Which ones can't I?

Oglesby can make great passes, ones that very few, if any, on this roster can make. That's not to say Marble can't, but don't use just A/TO to prove he's the best passer, because it doesn't tell the whole story.

Tm laying it down for all to see......

 

[jacknicholson]

Zach has mucho value under the basket, especially at the beginning of games. He makes a lot of seemingly easy shots near the wing under the baslet. His freshman year he would be called for charging, last season he makes many of those shots and is perhaps our toughest player. He is no nonsense and everybody he plays against knows it......

Not only that he is dangerous from the three and becoming more so.....

He presents more problems for the opponent than he does for the Hawks and his place in the lineup......

Why do you thing Atomic calls him Wild Bull McCabe.....