Rate the better year at QB: Stanzi as a Senior / JVB as a Junior?

HomerChampless said:
Stanzi hater and a JVB lover...
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I'm not a Stanzi hater...but I like to think I'm objectively viewing his senior year, rather than letting the big game plays from 2008 and 2009 cloud my judgement. He never led a comeback in 2010 and he had 5 chances...hell, we wouldn't have gotten the Insight Bowl win if Hyde hadn't have come to the rescue. The other factor for Stanzi that others continually overlook is that he had a lead in the 4th quarter of all those games and all the offense needed to do was get first downs to seal the win and rest the defense...we couldn't do it. Because he created so many memories from 2008 (Penn State) and 2009, people tend to give him the benefit of the doubt on 2010. Stanzi will always hold great memories to me, the drive to win at Penn State, MSU, etc. But his performance in 2010, despite the numbers, was disappointing. He also played on arguably the best defensive club I've seen in 2009...who saved his butt during his nation leading interception run.

JVB has numerous areas to improve...pocket presence, handling pressure, and getting the ball off more quickly, but for people to say what they are saying is ridiculous. He has things to work on, but he showed last year, he can deliver the ball...ask Marvin McNutt.

The bottom line is that winning the game tends to soften the view of how the QB played. If JVB has either the 2009 defense or 2010 defense last year, I believe peoples views would be much different because we no doubt would have won more games.
 
WinOneThisCentury said:
HomerChampless said:
Stanzi hater and a JVB lover...
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I'm not a Stanzi hater...but I like to think I'm objectively viewing his senior year, rather than letting the big game plays from 2008 and 2009 cloud my judgement. He never led a comeback in 2010 and he had 5 chances...hell, we wouldn't have gotten the Insight Bowl win if Hyde hadn't have come to the rescue. The other factor for Stanzi that others continually overlook is that he had a lead in the 4th quarter of all those games and all the offense needed to do was get first downs to seal the win and rest the defense...we couldn't do it. Because he created so many memories from 2008 (Penn State) and 2009, people tend to give him the benefit of the doubt on 2010. Stanzi will always hold great memories to me, the drive to win at Penn State, MSU, etc. But his performance in 2010, despite the numbers, was disappointing. He also played on arguably the best defensive club I've seen in 2009...who saved his butt during his nation leading interception run.JVB has numerous areas to improve...pocket presence, handling pressure, and getting the ball off more quickly, but for people to say what they are saying is ridiculous. He has things to work on, but he showed last year, he can deliver the ball...ask Marvin McNutt. The bottom line is that winning the game tends to soften the view of how the QB played. If JVB has either the 2009 defense or 2010 defense last year, I believe peoples views would be much different because we no doubt would have won more games.
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spot on...jvb and stanzi are the first 2 legit pro talent qbs kf has had. jvb is more so than stanzi but truely hasnt had as much talent around him as stanzi did.

defenses - stanzi had the better one.

wrs - stanzi had the two best in the kf era on the same team for multiple yrs.

tes - cj could be up there with stanzi's tes but not last yr.

rbs - i liked coker more than most but he didnt have game changing ability where stanzi had rbs that did (greene, wegher).

ol - this may be an edge to jvb but i think it is more of a push.

jvb will impress and stanzi was a great one.

but remember there were people calling for jvb during stanzi's sr yr because he wasnt leading the comebacks and sealing the wins like he did the yrs previous. jvb will probably be drafted earlier than stanzi...maybe because of a weaker qb class or maybe because of talent level or more nfl ready. but they will both have ended their careers ushering in a time where iowa is now developing nfl qbs...i believe rudock on this new recruit from texas may follow in those footsteps.
 
David79 said:
Stanzi just seems like more of a leader and seemed to handle pressure situations better than JVB. At times last year on the road JVB would just completely panick when it wasn't necessary.
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Nailed it..


JVB was for the most part horrible when he left Kinnick..

IMO this there isn't any debate needed with this thread. Stanzi is the better QB hands down.
 
hawkeyebob62 said:
While I don't agree with JVB being "better", and I probably WOULD take Stanzi, I would hardly say it's an easy choice. For any faults he has shown, JVB is still an excellent QB. Had he and Stanzi come in at the same time, it's hard to say, IMO, who would have been the starter.
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It's a very easy choice..
 
WinOneThisCentury said:
Neither...I just don't understand people being down on JVB after what he accomplished last year.
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There were games last season where JVB might have been pulled if an experienced and capable backup was on the sidelines. That is a fact..

JVB record away from Kinnick in 2011= 1-5. Nuff said
 
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The only comparisons I see is how much talent we've wasted on offense. We'll see how jvb does this year with a weaker receiving core. My money is on more production this year than either year.
 
HomerChampless said:
Stanzi hater and a JVB lover...
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HawkPrdatr40 said:
There were games last season where JVB might have been pulled if an experienced and capable backup was on the sidelines. That is a fact..

JVB record away from Kinnick in 2011= 1-5. Nuff said
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OK, You could say that Stanzi may have been pulled his Junior Season if an experienced and capable back up were available. The team was winning but he was leading the country in interceptions and pick sixes. Everyone knows JVB was the only option and he wasn't ready.

Stanzi in 2010 was 2-3 on the road with one of the wins Indiana, in less than spectacular fashion. JVB lost at ISU, Minnesota, Penn State, Nebraska, and Oklahoma. The last three of those are pretty solid programs and if you look at the winning percentage of those teams at home, well, a few teams lose there.
 
WinOneThisCentury said:
OK, You could say that Stanzi may have been pulled his Junior Season if an experienced and capable back up were available. The team was winning but he was leading the country in interceptions and pick sixes. Everyone knows JVB was the only option and he wasn't ready.

Stanzi in 2010 was 2-3 on the road with one of the wins Indiana, in less than spectacular fashion. JVB lost at ISU, Minnesota, Penn State, Nebraska, and Oklahoma. The last three of those are pretty solid programs and if you look at the winning percentage of those teams at home, well, a few teams lose there.
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No way, no how. What crack pipe did you just inhale? That is a laughable comment. Wow!!
 
hogeye said:
Stanzi and JVB are basically the same caliber QB.
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Yes and honestly only stupid people cant see this.

For some reason people want to ignore everything Staniz did wrong and everything JVB does right, not to mention the total discrepancy in talent around the two.

I don't know how a guy can be considered a cool under pressure, great leader given all the poor end of game situations that occurred in 2010.
 
HawkPrdatr40 said:
No way, no how. What crack pipe did you just inhale? That is a laughable comment. Wow!!
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Seriously...so you think he looked great against UNI? You think his pick six against Arkansas ST. that put us in a difficult position whereby the defense had to make a stop inside our ten yard line to save the game, were great plays? Hey, he led the COUNTRY in interceptions and interceptions returned for touchdowns. Just so you know...that's BAAAAADDDD.

My comment was, if he didn't have one of, if not the best defense in the country that year, he may have been pulled. Let's say we lose to UNI, lose to ARk ST, and Arizona because our defense didn't step up. Do you think he gets to the fourth quarter at Indiana with 5 interceptions and bonehead throw after bonehead throw.

He didn't get pulled because his top rated defense bailed his butt out time and time again. You need to step away from the Stanzi flavored soft drinks. I think you have an unhealthy love of the man and you just don't see his faults. Man love will do that.
 
Plus could Rick shoot this with a bow?

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Uploading from mobile and couldn't rotate it, my apologies.
 
WinOneThisCentury said:
Seriously...so you think he looked great against UNI? You think his pick six against Arkansas ST. that put us in a difficult position whereby the defense had to make a stop inside our ten yard line to save the game, were great plays? Hey, he led the COUNTRY in interceptions and interceptions returned for touchdowns. Just so you know...that's BAAAAADDDD.

My comment was, if he didn't have one of, if not the best defense in the country that year, he may have been pulled. Let's say we lose to UNI, lose to ARk ST, and Arizona because our defense didn't step up. Do you think he gets to the fourth quarter at Indiana with 5 interceptions and bonehead throw after bonehead throw.

He didn't get pulled because his top rated defense bailed his butt out time and time again. You need to step away from the Stanzi flavored soft drinks. I think you have an unhealthy love of the man and you just don't see his faults. Man love will do that.
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I just know whom I would rather have as my QB if I had to choose between the 2 of them. I do think Stanzi is the better QB. For the one person to say they are the same caliber, I will disagree.
 
This thread is a microcosm of this board and fan base in its entirety and the world as a whole. People make their decisions based on what they choose to believe regardless of the facts and reasonable arguments. I’m a huge Rick Stanzi fan….one of my all time favs and always will be….with that said, there were constant grumbles about him when he was here……and I’ll wager many of his “now” staunch supporters were in that group as well. Message boards don’t lend themselves to honest lucid debates…..ever!
 
cmhawks99 said:
This thread is a microcosm of this board and fan base in its entirety and the world as a whole. People make their decisions based on what they choose to believe regardless of the facts and reasonable arguments. I’m a huge Rick Stanzi fan….one of my all time favs and always will be….with that said, there were constant grumbles about him when he was here……and I’ll wager many of his “now†staunch supporters were in that group as well. Message boards don’t lend themselves to honest lucid debates…..ever!
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CHAD
 
This thread is hilarious.



But there was this. Pretty much crushed it.


hawkfan340 said:
^^Totally clueless.^^

I have to question if you've ever watched football before? Stanzi's running game his jr yr.? Stanzi was our offense in 2009. JVB has been terrible on the road. 2009 would have been a frickin disaster with that schedule. Keep in mind Stanzi won every game he started and finished that year. Every game.

Also, do the comparative schedules matter at all here? Stanzi never had a schedule as soft as JVB will have both years. Even with the soft schedule, JVB put up all his big numbers against the softest of the soft.

This whole thread is full of crazy talk. JVB can't throw on the run or on PA. That's a pretty critical skill in a pro-style offense. JVB has pretty much destroyed inferior competition and gotten eaten alive by good competition. Stanzi more than held is own against the best. JVB's going to need to make a HUGE jump if he wants to make a team at the next level, which is where Stanzi's currently collecting paychecks.

Through his JVB's jr. year, it's not even close. I'm hopeful he really improves, but at this point, this whole thread reeks of hope over reality.
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