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Unknownbadger
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Chryst will die a Badger or get fired. His younger years growing up were in Madison. His dad coached at Madison Edgewood until getting the HC position at UW-Platteville. There is nowhere else he would want to go. He's making enough money that I don't think that money would make him leave. As for the previous two, both told a couple stories to justify their moves. Bielema said that he couldn't pay his assistants enough to keep him home. That said, the pockets are awfully deep at Arkansas and he can't keep them there either. Andersen blamed our Admittance standards. That too is somewhat true, Wisconsin doesn't take guys who can barely make the NCAA standards. Others wouldn't take those he tried to get in either and many ended up taking JC route.
They thought were "greener pastures". The after thought, Bielema is one of the most overpaid HCs in college football. Andersen is struggling at Oregon State to get kids past their Admissions Department.
They thought were "greener pastures". The after thought, Bielema is one of the most overpaid HCs in college football. Andersen is struggling at Oregon State to get kids past their Admissions Department.
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Unknownbadger
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That doesn't change anything that I posted.
I just think about all the crazy things going on in the world, people try to make it sound like nothing good is happening, like we don't win anymore. The story of Biels and Barry making up, reigniting their friendship shows us the best of what sports, america, all of human existence is still worth living. Its one of the greatest stories ever told to be honest. Its a shame that the media focuses on the negative stuff and tries to divide us and ignores such great things like Biels making up with Coach Alvarez. This really shows that peace and understanding between different people is still possible in this world. We should all be proud of it.
MelroseHawkins
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On a side note, not many programs could go thru that number of coaching changes in that short of time as flawlessly as Wisky. They transition quit well it seems. They don't drop off a lot.
The Anderson hiring just seemed like a bad fit to start with. I figured there had to be more to the story as far as why he’d jump ship like that. I thought maybe Alvarez was the common denominator to those coaches leaving. But who knows. It’s not like the admission standards changed right after Anderson got there did they? He should have known what he was getting into. So again I don’t really buy that. I think it was a culture fit and maybe something to do with his and Alvarezs relationship. For him to take a pretty significant backwards step down job on his own just doesn’t add up on it’s face.
Unknownbadger
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No, it wasn't Alvarez. Directly, anyway. Bielema might have felt like he was following a "legend" and not quite living up to the standard. He was young, impetuous and made a number of gfaws that some people didn't let him off the hook for (not saying Alvarez didn't make some). But the way he left town irritated the hell out of a lot of people. Actually I thought Alvarez took the high road.
In retrspect, Andersen was the wrong fit. Not so much for his style of play but who he could recruit and bring in. Wisconsin had had dual threat QBs in the past. We just didn't have any when he came in.That presented a problem for his entire time in Madison. It was compounded by his bullheadedness to recruit the marginal kids who couldn't make it through Admissions he was able to recruit when he was at USU. (There was at least one instance where Alvarez was hot over him and another staff member flying out to Samoa to recruit a couple guys that didn't qualify. I suppose there may have been other instances.)
In retrspect, Andersen was the wrong fit. Not so much for his style of play but who he could recruit and bring in. Wisconsin had had dual threat QBs in the past. We just didn't have any when he came in.That presented a problem for his entire time in Madison. It was compounded by his bullheadedness to recruit the marginal kids who couldn't make it through Admissions he was able to recruit when he was at USU. (There was at least one instance where Alvarez was hot over him and another staff member flying out to Samoa to recruit a couple guys that didn't qualify. I suppose there may have been other instances.)
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eveningnewsteam
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Chryst is a Wisconsin guy. Unless the Green Bay Packers come calling, he isn't going anywhere. Even if that happened I'm not sure hed leave Madison.
One thing I don't get is when people say Wisconsin has been better than us lately because they don't settle for mediocrity. It's not like they are firing coaches for under performing. We don't know if they settle for mediocrity because they haven't had to make tough decisions on firing coaches.
Unknownbadger
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That's interesting because there are a ton of fans that think we do. That we don't work hard enough to win battles for blue chip players. Quite honestly, they are naive. We aren't going to win many battles for blue chip players but we try hard for the ones we might win. Wisconsin and Iowa are very similar in that we don't have that many in-state players that have P5 talent out of HS. We have to evaluate and develop. What the ending difference is, I don't know. I know that Wisconsin looks for smart kids with the desire and dedication to want to improve and play tough nosed football. I suspect Iowa does too. Styles are similar. Maybe Wisconsin's pool of in-state talent is just a little larger. Or maybe we just find more kids who fit what we are looking for.
I think the main difference is Ferentz blows at least one game per year by being over the top conservative. Instead of pouring it on against bad teams and losing the occasional game where mistakes mount up, he tries to grind out close wins in order to avoid those games where mistakes mount. In the process, he loses multiple games because they end up being one possession games late.
Other than that, losing Monte Ball was probably a 10 game swing at least over 4 years. You guys might have lost a few more and we would have won quite a few more because our running back situation was pretty bleak during the years Ball would have been here. That one recruit evens the playing field way more over the last 15 years or so.
docholihawk
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As you said Anderson is really struggling. I realized it when I saw this article.
An impressively strong finish for Gary Andersen and the Oregon State Beavers
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An impressively strong finish for Gary Andersen and the Oregon State Beavers
docholihawk
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Uninformed badger fans like you?
Unknownbadger
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Who's uniformed. OSU is 6-18 under Andersen. 3-15 in conference. OSU won 4 games in 2016 against teams that won 14 games combined (14-33). In '17, Andersen got 2 4 star commits. One isn't on the team and the other is trying to get in in the '18 class. He also picked up Craig Evans who couldn't get into Wisconsin, went to the B1G's bottom feeder, MSU, and then couldn't make it there.
BTW, I'm not saying Andersen isn't a good coach.... although there were some very questionable decisions/practices while he was at Wisconsin. Only that he stubbornly tried to make his square peg fit in Wisconsin's round hole and didn't have enough time (his decision, not Alvarez') to learn and make it fit.
BTW, I'm not saying Andersen isn't a good coach.... although there were some very questionable decisions/practices while he was at Wisconsin. Only that he stubbornly tried to make his square peg fit in Wisconsin's round hole and didn't have enough time (his decision, not Alvarez') to learn and make it fit.
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SmokeTownHawk
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That goes for shooty hoops as well as football.
rschneider
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You could have just private messaged the one Wisconsin fan on here... Or better yet, post the question like on a Wisconsin board.
Unknownbadger
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I'm also an Iowa fan, having lived in the state for 17 years. The OP asked a decent question and I without any acrimony decently answered it. Why the issue?
deanvogs
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The issue is KF has been here 18 years. There is a certain level of fatigue that is involved with that long of tenure. Barry Alvarez had up years and down years. Barry won 10 games in year 4, but then fell right back to 7, 4, 8, and 8 win seasons before going on a three year run of 11, 10 and 9 wins. He then dipped back to 5, 8 and 7 wins before winning 9 and 10 and then becoming AD.
When you coach as long as they did/have there are ups and downs over 16 or 18 years. Some don't feel that a coach who wins 7 or 8 games isn't doing a good enough job, the program is settling for mediocrity and have a shit fit all around. Yet Barry only exceeded 8 wins 6 times in 16 years. 10 times he won 8 games or less.
When you coach as long as they did/have there are ups and downs over 16 or 18 years. Some don't feel that a coach who wins 7 or 8 games isn't doing a good enough job, the program is settling for mediocrity and have a shit fit all around. Yet Barry only exceeded 8 wins 6 times in 16 years. 10 times he won 8 games or less.
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SteveGarvey1
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Stop making so much sense. It's 9 wins or better every year for every coach or he needs to go bye bye.
