Perspective

HawkGold said:
You lost me here:

I still believe our coaching staff is doing a great job with the system we have in place, with the reality of recruiting, and the moral character that Iowa exemplifies (meaning we don't cheat).
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HawkGold said:
That statement is arguable.
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Don't ever say that I just like to argue again. @dirtwrap wrote a lengthy post, and all you do is pull out one sentence, and insult it and argue it. You don't look for common ground, you don't look to be constructive, all you do is look to argue and tear others down. You are basically your father and brother rolled into one, and go around acting like an asshole all the time. I try to save my asshole hat for the Dirty 30, Clown trolls and you. You seem perfectly fine being an asshole to anyone and everyone, so I got no problems treating people how they treat others.
 
It is like people don't even understand college football. Once KF had two years of revamping and building the Iowa program, he has won 60% of this conference games. That is good for 4th best of the 14 B1G teams and only behind OSU, Wisconsin, and Michigan. That is hardly "mediocre".

In Hayden's great run after he turn the program around (from 1981-1998) he was also 4th in the B1G in winning % of conference games. Behind OSU, Michigan and Penn St.

The fact is, if social media and message boards were around during Hayden, the same Dirty 30 crowd would have wanted Hayden fired after he won 6 games in '88 and 5 games in '89. Imagine how hard @OkstHawk would have trolled those 8-4 Rose Bowl teams. I mean 12-0 regular season wasn't good for him, Hayden had 2 of his 3 Rose Bowl teams win 8 games, and have 6-2 conference records.

Can you imagine it is 1990 and all Hayden has to do is beat a 5-5 Minnesota team the last weekend of the B1G to clinch an outright B1G title. Iowa loses 31-24 to a pretty bad Minnesota team, but still gets to go to the Rose Bowl. They then get beat by Washington. Can you imagine the offseason of trolling by @HawkGold and the Dirty 30?

In the 12 seasons Hayden coached after the 1987 season, Hayden had 4 seasons of 8 or more wins, and 7 seasons of 6 wins or less after 1987. Everything that every hater does and says now about KF now, it would have been the exact same to Hayden if social media and these forums were around.
 
Iowa supporters can't bring up 12-0, but KF doubters can bring his first 2 seasons in their #'s. Both happened, same with 4-8 in 12.....but again, let's not act like Iowa football hasn't been a good program for a long while now.
 
KF = Jeff Fisher

Fisher is a "great" coach...but has won .512 of his NFL games...

Fisher replaced with a young, creative Sean Mc Vay at the Rams...suddenly the creative, offensive minded 30 something has found ways for his talented players to get open...other than banging into the line.

KF is an overrated coach by the numbers...bloated by cupcake wins...Rose Bowls? Wins vs OSU? No...a history of underachieving and, well, boring, predictable, easy to defend against football.

KF offensive schemes go against talented teams...not pretty...(yes, sure there are exceptions but we have a body of work)

That KF stays...is a credit to the desperation and niceness of Iowa...
 
deanvogs said:
It is like people don't even understand college football. Once KF had two years of revamping and building the Iowa program, he has won 60% of this conference games. That is good for 4th best of the 14 B1G teams and only behind OSU, Wisconsin, and Michigan. That is hardly "mediocre".

In Hayden's great run after he turn the program around (from 1981-1998) he was also 4th in the B1G in winning % of conference games. Behind OSU, Michigan and Penn St.

The fact is, if social media and message boards were around during Hayden, the same Dirty 30 crowd would have wanted Hayden fired after he won 6 games in '88 and 5 games in '89. Imagine how hard @OkstHawk would have trolled those 8-4 Rose Bowl teams. I mean 12-0 regular season wasn't good for him, Hayden had 2 of his 3 Rose Bowl teams win 8 games, and have 6-2 conference records.

Can you imagine it is 1990 and all Hayden has to do is beat a 5-5 Minnesota team the last weekend of the B1G to clinch an outright B1G title. Iowa loses 31-24 to a pretty bad Minnesota team, but still gets to go to the Rose Bowl. They then get beat by Washington. Can you imagine the offseason of trolling by @HawkGold and the Dirty 30?

In the 12 seasons Hayden coached after the 1987 season, Hayden had 4 seasons of 8 or more wins, and 7 seasons of 6 wins or less after 1987. Everything that every hater does and says now about KF now, it would have been the exact same to Hayden if social media and these forums were around.
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Yawn.
 
InGoodCo said:
I'd say just above average, not a lot, but just above it. You're right tho, I'll recant on calling it "great" and instead say - an above average B1G program. But we're arguing the semantics of words at this point.
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I would agree with this statement. Overall above average, with the exception of bowl games. Georgia Tech is a pathetic program. The south eastern sports writers are always trying to find someone to promote in their region and that year it was Geogia Tech. I’ve been to their stadium and watched them play................. just pathetic!!!!! Why am I bringing up Georgia Tech? It’s one of those games where we finally won what was tabbed as a great win in a bowl game.

I love to follow my favorite college team that I have had since five years old ( fifty-two years worth), but it’s time for KF to win on the B1G stage. After those three great years of three top ten rankings a long extension was given to him. I believe it was written with the intent and belief that KF would just reload and keep repeated and similar results with an occasional rebuilding year here and there.

I guess what I am saying is 7-5 is ok for a rebuilding year but that shouldn’t be the norm for a coach that is getting paid an elite salary for his profession. Losing so many bowl games is unacceptable. I would like to see us win on the big stage at least once every four or five years. Is that asking too much??? That means going 10-2 or better and dominating in a major bowl game. Do that and I would be much more happier. I’ve always felt we can do that. Our facilities and fan base are tremendous here in hawkeye land and there is no reason we shouldn’t be winning on the B1G stage at least every once in a while.
 
BigD said:
I would agree with this statement. Overall above average, with the exception of bowl games. Georgia Tech is a pathetic program. The south eastern sports writers are always trying to find someone to promote in their region and that year it was Geogia Tech. I’ve been to their stadium and watched them play................. just pathetic!!!!! Why am I bringing up Georgia Tech? It’s one of those games where we finally won what was tabbed as a great win in a bowl game.

I love to follow my favorite college team that I have had since five years old ( fifty-two years worth), but it’s time for KF to win on the B1G stage. After those three great years of three top ten rankings a long extension was given to him. I believe it was written with the intent and belief that KF would just reload and keep repeated and similar results with an occasional rebuilding year here and there.

I guess what I am saying is 7-5 is ok for a rebuilding year but that shouldn’t be the norm for a coach that is getting paid an elite salary for his profession. Losing so many bowl games is unacceptable. I would like to see us win on the big stage at least once every four or five years. Is that asking too much??? That means going 10-2 or better and dominating in a major bowl game. Do that and I would be much more happier. I’ve always felt we can do that. Our facilities and fan base are tremendous here in hawkeye land and there is no reason we shouldn’t be winning on the B1G stage st least every once in a while.
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This is what I would like too - for the record. Iowa isn't there consistently enough. The bowl game structure, I don't get too wild about because Iowa gets set up for some horrible games because it has a good fan base. I don't think it's too much to ask but I also don't think KF is wildly failing to meet those expectations.
 
InGoodCo said:
This is what I would like too - for the record. Iowa isn't there consistently enough. The bowl game structure, I don't get too wild about because Iowa gets set up for some horrible games because it has a good fan base. I don't think it's too much to ask but I also don't think KF is wildly failing to meet those expectations.
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I think we are all jealous of Wisconsin. They are basically the team everyone wants to be. The non blue blood with sustained success as good as the blue bloods.

OSU
Oklahoma
LSU
USC
Bama
Oregon
Georgia
Texas
Florida
Florida St.
Wisconsin

Look at that list though. Filled with the who's who of college football. The teams that have huge recruiting advantages. It is crazy that Wisconsin can even break into that group. Those teams all win games at over a 70% clip over 15 years.

Iowa though is in the "Next up" group of P5 teams. Over the last 15 years here is that next group after those top 11 teams. These teams have won 64-69% of their games over the last 15 years.

Virginia Tech
Clemson
Louisville
Auburn
West Virginia
Miami
Nebraska
Oklahoma St.
Michigan
Iowa
Penn St.
 
deanvogs said:
Don't ever say that I just like to argue again. @dirtwrap wrote a lengthy post, and all you do is pull out one sentence, and insult it and argue it. You don't look for common ground, you don't look to be constructive, all you do is look to argue and tear others down. You are basically your father and brother rolled into one, and go around acting like an asshole all the time. I try to save my asshole hat for the Dirty 30, Clown trolls and you. You seem perfectly fine being an asshole to anyone and everyone, so I got no problems treating people how they treat others.
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Look in the mirror Dean. Clown Troll...seriously.
 
deanvogs said:
It is like people don't even understand college football. Once KF had two years of revamping and building the Iowa program, he has won 60% of this conference games. That is good for 4th best of the 14 B1G teams and only behind OSU, Wisconsin, and Michigan. That is hardly "mediocre".

In Hayden's great run after he turn the program around (from 1981-1998) he was also 4th in the B1G in winning % of conference games. Behind OSU, Michigan and Penn St.

The fact is, if social media and message boards were around during Hayden, the same Dirty 30 crowd would have wanted Hayden fired after he won 6 games in '88 and 5 games in '89. Imagine how hard @OkstHawk would have trolled those 8-4 Rose Bowl teams. I mean 12-0 regular season wasn't good for him, Hayden had 2 of his 3 Rose Bowl teams win 8 games, and have 6-2 conference records.

Can you imagine it is 1990 and all Hayden has to do is beat a 5-5 Minnesota team the last weekend of the B1G to clinch an outright B1G title. Iowa loses 31-24 to a pretty bad Minnesota team, but still gets to go to the Rose Bowl. They then get beat by Washington. Can you imagine the offseason of trolling by @HawkGold and the Dirty 30?

In the 12 seasons Hayden coached after the 1987 season, Hayden had 4 seasons of 8 or more wins, and 7 seasons of 6 wins or less after 1987. Everything that every hater does and says now about KF now, it would have been the exact same to Hayden if social media and these forums were around.
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You have your opinion...fine. It's still about being boring that many disagree with. HF struggled after losing asst coaches. There is one person around here that does the attacking you talk about. Dean, really one person.
 
I'm pretty sure you can get a classy guy that wins more than KF does. I back KF as much as I can and he is a great human being but he has some faults when it comes to coaching which has worn thin after 20 yrs. Which is why I will never support Brian being the next coach. Time for a change when KF does go bye bye.
 
deanvogs said:
I think we are all jealous of Wisconsin. They are basically the team everyone wants to be. The non blue blood with sustained success as good as the blue bloods.

OSU
Oklahoma
LSU
USC
Bama
Oregon
Georgia
Texas
Florida
Florida St.
Wisconsin

Look at that list though. Filled with the who's who of college football. The teams that have huge recruiting advantages. It is crazy that Wisconsin can even break into that group. Those teams all win games at over a 70% clip over 15 years.

Iowa though is in the "Next up" group of P5 teams. Over the last 15 years here is that next group after those top 11 teams. These teams have won 64-69% of their games over the last 15 years.

Virginia Tech
Clemson
Louisville
Auburn
West Virginia
Miami
Nebraska
Oklahoma St.
Michigan
Iowa
Penn St.
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Good point. After Hayden took us to that first rose bowl we became #3 in the B1G for quite some time. Ohio State, Michigan, and Iowa were considered the best programs in the conference. MIchigan State and Wisconsin were in the next tier. When Penn State joined the conference they were pretty much co-equal with Iowa.

I don’t think what I am feeling is jealousy over Wisconsin as much as it is frustration over knowing there is no reason that we can’t at least keep pace with them.
 
InGoodCo said:
This is what I would like too - for the record. Iowa isn't there consistently enough. The bowl game structure, I don't get too wild about because Iowa gets set up for some horrible games because it has a good fan base. I don't think it's too much to ask but I also don't think KF is wildly failing to meet those expectations.
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I would agree. If we could just muster up a great season with a BCS bowl win every four or five seasons then football nation could speak of Iowa as being consistently good with spurts of greatness. Nothing wrong with that as that garners great respect and allows fans to wear their Iowa garb out in public with satisfaction and pride.
 
HawkGold said:
Look in the mirror Dean. Clown Troll...seriously.
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I don’t need a mirror, As I said, I’m a asshole to You, the dirty 30 and Clown trolls (aka Hawk5656). You need to gain some self awareness and realize that you didn’t fall far from your families asshole tree.
 
deanvogs said:
I don’t need a mirror, As I said, I’m a asshole to You, the dirty 30 and Clown trolls (aka Hawk5656). You need to gain some self awareness and realize that you didn’t fall far from your families asshole tree.
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Swell guy... Found your pic upload_2017-10-4_13-31-8.jpeg
 
InGoodCo said:
<'When did KF outcoach his opponent'?> September? at ISU? Last November vs Michigan?
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The reason why KF may have outcoached UM's Harbaugh is because Harbaugh had a brain cramp and, with all the talented and athletic bodies UM had, decided to play call against the strengths of Iowa's defense. We're accustomed to KF pulling that kind of stunt. Kinda like Pedo State deciding to call three straight runs up the gut to get a first down.
 
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HomerChampless said:
The reason why KF may have outcoached UM's Harbaugh is because Harbaugh had a brain cramp and, with all the talented and athletic bodies UM had, decided to play call against the strengths of Iowa's defense. We're accustomed to KF pulling that kind of stunt. Kinda like Pedo State deciding to call three straight runs up the gut to get a first down.
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Michigan had a less than optimal qb in that game that got hurt. Greatly reduced Jimmy's ability to counter a very good Iowa defense geared to stop certain aspects of the game.

I do understand what he tried to do against PSU. Just think he didn't need to do it. At home we were on equal level with them. MSU was not on the road. We were better but the same style kept them in the game.
 
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