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[Fryowa]

That is what I mean, and you don't think they have some stories from that?!?

Probably just cringing real hard.

 

[Fryowa]

Yep. The average lineman in the NFL is prob at least 6'5 with many around 6'7. I just don't see it in the NFL.

Add about 3" for the helmet and a lot of them are approaching 7'

 

[NCHawker]

there's some good stuff out there mates.

https://x.com/B1GDuckEnergyy/status/2000405396515967380?s=20

https://x.com/HeavensFX/status/2000662084829212953?s=20

https://x.com/CigDrunk/status/2000383865618378868?s=20

 

[thedukeofearl]

We gonna rattle his squirrel cage on NYE

Gonna pop a cork and enjoy the show

 

[SwirlinLingerie]

I appreciate the stats. I think they prove my original point, which is Wilson likely played himself out of the HOF. If he retired after '21 from Seattle and never played another down, he would have been a plausible HOF candidate. Probably 50/50 or less. I mean, Denver was not the only team willing to sign him to a deal. But, he has had 4 disastrous seasons since, and its not like he was ancient. He was what, like 33 when he got to Denver?

Also, stop with the pro bowls. That is not a measuring stick. There are so many opt outs that often times they get down to like the 5th or 6th guy in each conference. I did not do a deep dive, but his last year in the pro bowl in '21 he only made it because Brady could not play in it. Tyler Huntley played in the pro bowl. Nuff said.

All Pro? That is a statement of who the best is at every position. Wilson made second team all pro one year. So, he has never been the best at his position even once during his entire career. Is that dispositive? No. But its damned important.

MVP? Never even got a single vote. Ever.

He doesn't merit a jacket IMHO. Not if you look at his total body of work. He was really good for 10 years. Then really, really awful. Never truly elite.

We can throw out most of the Pro Bowls, but MVP voting is sort of the same popularity contest. So we gotta throw that out too.

He played in the golden era of elite QBs. If you really want to get into the advanced analytics (like the rating Nate Silver came up with), most have him as around the 15th best QB of all time.

But to say he was never elite is way off-base. He was absolutely elite from 2015-2020. Various AI sources rate these as his four best seasons, although you can debate the order.

2018: Career-high 110.9 passer rating, 35 TDs (tied for NFC lead), led Seahawks to playoffs despite injuries. He finished the season ranked third in the NFL in passer rating, (below only Brees at 115.7 and Mahomes at 113.8). His 8.2% touchdown pass percentage made history as the highest mark for a player who wasn’t named MVP (minimum 400 attempts) at season’s end.

2020: Career-high 40 touchdowns, led NFL in TD passes, had MVP buzz early in the season, though the team faltered. Played with a broken finger from October on.

2017: Led NFL with 34 touchdowns and accounted for a huge percentage of Seahawks' scrimmage yards (4,569 of 5,608 yards – 81.5%). He probably wins the MVP if the Seahawks make the playoffs. He led the NFL in both touchdown passes (34) and total touchdowns (37) despite being backed by a ground game that produced one rushing touchdown from a running back all season.In fact, Wilson led the Seahawks in rushing yards (586), yards per cary (6.2) and rushing touchdowns (three).

2015: First 4,000-yard season, led league in passer rating (101.2), lead team to second Super Bowl in a row. His passer rating was a statistically significant 3.9 points above second place. Brady (102.2), Brees (101.0), league MVP Newton (99.4) and Rodgers (92.7)