Pavia

[ssckelley]

He's 5'9" and change. Hard to see how he makes a roster.

Yep, that will be his biggest obstacle to overcome. Those are some big o and d lines he will need to look over.

 

[Fryowa]

He's 5'9" and change. Hard to see how he makes a roster.

Correct. There are lots of photos out there of him standing next to guys with 6' listed heights and he's clearly a few inches shorter.

5'9" is being pretty generous.

 

[haydensly]

There is a pretty long list of Heisman trophy winning QBs (and runners up) that never sniffed the NFL. He will fit into that category.

 

[ssckelley]

Same. Manziel 2.0 for sure. I'm guessing IF he does make an NFL roster, he won't be remotely looked at as a starter. I think he lists he is 6 foot. No way. I'm gonna guess his future is with the CFL. Although, I could be wrong. Doug Flutie carved out a decent career in between the NFL and CFL.

Although, I am guessing unless this dude gets a PR team and gets far away from his family and his agent has a come to Jesus with him, his draft stock is only going to plummet.

I don't think Pavia will even get the Manziel draft hype. Kiper adjusted his big board last Thursday and he does not have Pavia in his top 10 QB's. He's the 3rd one listed as "just missed", Manziel was considered to be one of the top QB's available and was taken in the first round (I'll never forget him pouting as he was dropped to #22). Some team might take him as a late round flyer and perhaps he winds up on a NFL practice squad. Teams might look at him as a Kyler Murray lite type of QB.

 

[SwirlinLingerie]

I think he was officially measured at just under 5'10" in the past year. It's not the absolute deal breaker some think it is. There are two 5'10" starters in the league now - Kyler Murray and Bryce Young. Russell Wilson is a future hall of famer and he was still starting earlier this year at 5'11".

But it doesn't help being that height.

 

[NorthKCHawk]

Russell Wilson is a future hall of famer and he was still starting earlier this year at 5'11".

This is far from certain. I certainly would not put him in and a lot of commentators agree with me. He won a single superbowl with a historically great defense. He was certainly a marginal to good HOF candidate when he left Seattle, and frankly, a couple decent years elsewhere probably cements it. That did not happen. He has been an absolute trainwreck and franchise killer since leaving Seattle. If he was in the HOF before leaving, I think he has absolutely played himself out of the HOF given his time in Denver and NY. I mean, if we need no further proof as to how bad a QB he has been for 5 years, Seattle let him go without a fight, Denver paid him 100 million dollars to leave so they could draft a rookie and start over, and he is now the third string QB on one of the worst teams in the league.

His whole body of work is looked at. And, its not the Hall of Wildly Inconsistent Play.

 

[thedukeofearl]

They should show that speech at the beginning of every Heisman Trophy ceremony just to show the young men how they should carry themselves.

 

[HawkPowerlifter]

This is far from certain. I certainly would not put him in and a lot of commentators agree with me. He won a single superbowl with a historically great defense. He was certainly a marginal to good HOF candidate when he left Seattle, and frankly, a couple decent years elsewhere probably cements it. That did not happen. He has been an absolute trainwreck and franchise killer since leaving Seattle. If he was in the HOF before leaving, I think he has absolutely played himself out of the HOF given his time in Denver and NY. I mean, if we need no further proof as to how bad a QB he has been for 5 years, Seattle let him go without a fight, Denver paid him 100 million dollars to leave so they could draft a rookie and start over, and he is now the third string QB on one of the worst teams in the league.

His whole body of work is looked at. And, its not the Hall of Wildly Inconsistent Play.

I am amazed how quickly he slid.

 

[NorthKCHawk]

I am amazed how quickly he slid.

I want to say that once he was separated from the great Pete Carrol, he lost his guru. But, Carrol has been a trainwreck in Oakland and probably gets fired soon. Plus, Wilson had the chance to be paired with a true QB guru in Sean Payton, and Payton absolutely did not want Wilson. He ate one of the biggest contract hits in history to get rid of Wilson.

All I can come up with is that he actually was just not that great a QB and benefitted from the Legion of Boom and Beast Mode in ways we did not realize.

 

[Fryowa]

All I can come up with is that he actually was just not that great a QB and benefitted from the Legion of Boom and Beast Mode in ways we did not realize.

One of the reasons I can't hardly watch NFL anymore. I just like running more and everything in the NFL is 40 yard passes with a token run up the middle sprinkled in for reasons I don't know.

Lynch was the last one of the old guard and the NFL kind of died with him. I get the whole Derrick Henry thing but that's different.

Give me 90s and early 2000s pro ball any day.

 

[SwirlinLingerie]

I want to say that once he was separated from the great Pete Carrol, he lost his guru. But, Carrol has been a trainwreck in Oakland and probably gets fired soon. Plus, Wilson had the chance to be paired with a true QB guru in Sean Payton, and Payton absolutely did not want Wilson. He ate one of the biggest contract hits in history to get rid of Wilson.

All I can come up with is that he actually was just not that great a QB and benefitted from the Legion of Boom and Beast Mode in ways we did not realize.

A lot to unpack there. We can say he is at least a borderline Hall of Fame QB who stands 5'11". That was my main point.

Anyway, here are some thoughts.

The decline was crazy fast. But he was an awesome QB during his prime. Yes, the legion of boom and Beast Mode were great, but if you look back, those guys really were only the core of the team for 5 or 6 years. He had a nine year run of not having a losing season. That's really hard to do in the NFL.

Since the Hawks are our local team, I watched a lot of those games over the years. He was far from a game manager who only relied on defense and a running game. His brilliance was buying time on broken plays, sometimes taking off for long runs but more often allowing his receivers to get open way down field and then hitting them with trademark rainbows (that seemed to fall from the sky perfectly into his WR's hands).

In my opinion, his rapid decline was losing a quarter or half step that had made him elite. There were so many times the defense had him, and he was able to spin out of the rush at the last second and buy time. That was his super power.

The numbers.

10 Pro Bowls - tied for 5th all time among QBs.

One of only 7 QBs in history in make 10 pro bowls and win a super bowl.

QB passer rating of about 100, 5th all time (constantly changing a bit)

16th in all time passing yards

12th in all time passing touchdowns

Most wins by a QB in their first 9 seasons; back to back Super Bowls

 

[99topdawg]

Correct. There are lots of photos out there of him standing next to guys with 6' listed heights and he's clearly a few inches shorter.

5'9" is being pretty generous.

Sayin, on the right, is listed at 6'1"