Paul Finebaum Absolutely Torches Scott Frost

[trj]

I heard my old 8th grade Jr. High school team needs a coach.

I am late to the party about all the rumor stuff. If all of this is true, he will need at least a year or two just to get his life back in order. The coaching fraternity is pretty tight they take care of their own. If Frost gets his personal shit together(if all this is true) then somebody will give him a lifeline. The Oregon/UCF thing wasn't a fluke, he can dial up plays, what that translates to I have no idea. It could mean another shot at a big boy program or he is an NFL receiver coach for the next decade....who knows.

 

[hawkdrummer1]

I am late to the party about all the rumor stuff. If all of this is true, he will need at least a year or two just to get his life back in order. The coaching fraternity is pretty tight they take care of their own. If Frost gets his personal shit together(if all this is true) then somebody will give him a lifeline. The Oregon/UCF thing wasn't a fluke, he can dial up plays, what that translates to I have no idea. It could mean another shot at a big boy program or he is an NFL receiver coach for the next decade....who knows.

Yeah, it was a bit of a fluke. He inhereted a program which was in great shape (until they had their own disaster season) and followed the model of his predecesor.

Building a program is a whole 'nother task and he's been a miserable failure at that... as well as being a good human being.

He'll get a shot somewhere eventually, but a whole lot of people won't give him a second look.

 

[Luftgekuehlt67]

If he was actually winning, Frosty could smooth over the diddling the beer cart girl incident in about a red hot minute. He would just need to crank the piety dial up to 10 and all the boomer big red boosters would be creaming themselves over what a great redemption story it is.

But he's not winning so therefore won't be "their kind of people", good bye.

Like Bo, for instance. Bo was literally 1 extra win/yr away from being the entire state's favorite grumpy uncle. Oh, you!

Instead, they're all smugly self assured that Bo wasn't a good culture match for Nebraska Nice. Lol, please. Get over yourselves.

 

[trj]

Yeah, it was a bit of a fluke. He inhereted a program which was in great shape (until they had their own disaster season) and followed the model of his predecesor.

Building a program is a whole 'nother task and he's been a miserable failure at that... as well as being a good human being.

He'll get a shot somewhere eventually, but a whole lot of people won't give him a second look.

Can't really explain it, but I think Chip Kelly would give him a lifeline if he is in position to do so. Quinn Synder comparison. It got embarrassing professionally and personally for him at Missouri. He got a second act in the NBA. I could see something similar for Frost in the NFL.

 

[HawkGold]

No one will ever convince me that 12/12 guys from a group of 5 school in a soft conference, most of whom have literally zero coaching experience past 2 years with Frost, are ready for Big Ten football.

That would be like a really good high school coach getting his first college gig and taking his high school staff with him. Completely fucking ludicrous.

Ludicrous to even think of, and even more ludicrous to let it happen.

No not really. Coaching moxy like a lot of things people have or don't. Crap, HF hired an accountant (OK volunteer at first).

Look at Fitz. Should never have been hired. Kirk, what the hell did he really know (and I think that had more to do with his early issues rather than talent)

HF had never been at that level and hired a high school coach to help him (OK damn good hire)

Matt Campbell? Should have been a failure I guess.

In coaching like in a lot of things, it's about the right place at the right time. Any of those I mentioned may have failed anywhere else. KF at Michigan at one time? Likely a flop.

Frost has no moxy though. Verdict is out on Fleck. Lot's of similarities though, but PJ had some ability and experience.

 

[uihawk82]

No one will ever convince me that 12/12 guys from a group of 5 school in a soft conference, most of whom have literally zero coaching experience past 2 years with Frost, are ready for Big Ten football.

That would be like a really good high school coach getting his first college gig and taking his high school staff with him. Completely fucking ludicrous.

Ludicrous to even think of, and even more ludicrous to let it happen.

Yes, there is a reason Norm Parker was so good and Phil Parker is also after 20 years coaching under others and over 10 years with Norm.

 

[SwirlinLingerie]

If you read my post I mentioned those guys had been other places. Nowhere as coordinators other than 2 years at UCF. They were Frost's bar buddies.

Lol. The highlight of Verduzco's career was as an assistant at an AAC school, the illustrious Rutgers. During his tenure there Rutgers had a .200 WP.

Kill was a complete flop at Minnesota, finishing his tenure with a losing conference and overall record. Not sure he's a good poster boy for staff recruitment.

Not really sure why we are going around in circles here, but Verduzco spent like over a decade helping build UNI into FCS power. And if you think Kill was a complete flop at Minnesota, you've kind of lost me. He took over a program in shambles from Brewster - couldn't even get the kids to go to class at first because they didn't have to under Brew. Shit show of an athletic director and no emphasis on football from the administration, and yet ended up winning a Big Ten Coach of the Year award and going to a Citrus Bowl.

Don't forget, Kirk's two big hires on offense were Harvard's offensive coordinator (Philbin) and a division III coach coming off one losing season at Fordham (O'keefe). So nothing unprecedented about Frost's staff on paper - hard to see any scenario where Moos would step in and overrule his staff decisions.

 

[SmokeTownHawk]

Even though the fanbase is looking for a big name hire after Frosty is gone, I could see a DC from someplace like Chadron State getting the job. Heck, what was Osbourne doing before Devaney hired him?

 

[Northside Hawk]

If it becomes more obvious as the season rolls on that Frost is dry ice, perhaps the players will quit on him and we can go in there in November and administer a beating similar to the one in 2017.

One of my favorite sights was seeing the "greatest, most knowledgeable fans in college football" leave that stadium at the end of the third quarter like air out of a popped balloon.

It would give us a five game heater in Lincoln. But as Clark Griswold once said " ain't nothing to be proud of Rusty."

 

[Fryowa]

Not really sure why we are going around in circles here, but Verduzco spent like over a decade helping build UNI into FCS power. And if you think Kill was a complete flop at Minnesota, you've kind of lost me. He took over a program in shambles from Brewster - couldn't even get the kids to go to class at first because they didn't have to under Brew. Shit show of an athletic director and no emphasis on football from the administration, and yet ended up winning a Big Ten Coach of the Year award and going to a Citrus Bowl.

Don't forget, Kirk's two big hires on offense were Harvard's offensive coordinator (Philbin) and a division III coach coming off one losing season at Fordham (O'keefe). So nothing unprecedented about Frost's staff on paper - hard to see any scenario where Moos would step in and overrule his staff decisions.

Apples/oranges in all cases. The examples you gave weren't guys taking an entire staff carte blanche. Philbin and O'Keefe were cherry picked.

Kill can be the nicest, most motivational dude there is, but he didn't perform. Are we evaluating teams by coach of the year or "did the most with what he had" awards, or their win/loss record?

 

[Fryowa]

Heck, what was Osbourne doing before Devaney hired him?

That goes back to what I've said here multiple times. Head coaching hires are 99% luck. No one was writing articles around the country about what a brilliant up and coming mind TO was before he got hired at nebraska. Nobody knew and they took a shot and got lucky. Same with Mike Krzyczerwsyzecrski at Duke. And a million other guys.

 

[Luftgekuehlt67]

Any chance the Fuskers blow the Fordham game? Cuz that would be kinda awesome.

Looks like Fordham is about a mid pack FCS school. They have a potent offense, alledgedly, but I'm sure the Blackshorts will hold them to -7 or something.