Paul Finebaum Absolutely Torches Scott Frost

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Highlights of the article:

“This is a disaster. And there’s no way to sugarcoat it. That was the most important game, I think, of Scott Frost’s career out there for a lot of reasons,” said Finebaum on McElroy and Cubelic. “When you play in Week 0, you have the whole country to yourself. You can make an impression, even beating Illinois. Winning a game at Champaign will not really help your career anywhere but in this particular case. But it would’ve gotten everyone off his back for a couple of weeks until the trip to Norman and it would’ve calmed the waters. Instead, he has just told Jim Harbaugh, ‘Get outta the way, man. I’m No. 1 on the coaches hot seat right now.”

“I don’t know how you can make a really strong case for his survival because a game like that hurt him in recruiting, hurt him across the board. If you’re a high school player out there and you have not made up your mind about where you’re going to school, why would you choose Nebraska? You already have a fanbase that is as delusional as any I have encountered in my career. They still think it is the mid-1990s and Tom Osborne is the king of this program. It’s changed.”

And this is the gem of the piece:

“I don’t think they have any upward mobility. I just think this program is close to being dead. I hate to say that, because I’m a traditionalist. …If it’s not working, you have to make a change, and it’s not working out there. It’s clearly a mess and as a result of that, you have to figure out a way to correct it. You just have to look around the country and find somebody who can recruit better and develop talent. In Year 4, when you’re making the mistakes we saw on Saturday, your program has not improved one bit.”
 
Fryowa said:
This is a beautiful thing...

Highlights of the article:

“This is a disaster. And there’s no way to sugarcoat it. That was the most important game, I think, of Scott Frost’s career out there for a lot of reasons,” said Finebaum on McElroy and Cubelic. “When you play in Week 0, you have the whole country to yourself. You can make an impression, even beating Illinois. Winning a game at Champaign will not really help your career anywhere but in this particular case. But it would’ve gotten everyone off his back for a couple of weeks until the trip to Norman and it would’ve calmed the waters. Instead, he has just told Jim Harbaugh, ‘Get outta the way, man. I’m No. 1 on the coaches hot seat right now.”

“I don’t know how you can make a really strong case for his survival because a game like that hurt him in recruiting, hurt him across the board. If you’re a high school player out there and you have not made up your mind about where you’re going to school, why would you choose Nebraska? You already have a fanbase that is as delusional as any I have encountered in my career. They still think it is the mid-1990s and Tom Osborne is the king of this program. It’s changed.”

And this is the gem of the piece:

“I don’t think they have any upward mobility. I just think this program is close to being dead. I hate to say that, because I’m a traditionalist. …If it’s not working, you have to make a change, and it’s not working out there. It’s clearly a mess and as a result of that, you have to figure out a way to correct it. You just have to look around the country and find somebody who can recruit better and develop talent. In Year 4, when you’re making the mistakes we saw on Saturday, your program has not improved one bit.”
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I'm old enough to remember when Illinois had some damned nice teams. I recall them playing Colorado in the '90's in a fantastic game in Champagne.

Irregardless, to the rest of his points, Nebraska isn't freaking dead. 90% of us on here knew, we absolutely knew, that Frost was the wrong hire. If Nebraska hired Bielema, Phil Parker or Jim Leonhard, they'd pretty consistently be a 8 or 9 win program. Maybe even consistently a 9 or 10 win program. And then they would be in a position to win the division once every say 4 or 5 years. Maybe even every two or three years. It is not an insurmountable hurdle, they just have to hire a Big Ten guy who understands the line play on both sides of the ball, find a decent QB and keep their skill level guys kind of on par with where they are.

With a 12 team playoff potentially coming, they could easily get into that once, maybe twice a decade if they played their cards right. The veneer is coming off, but they still have enough brand recognition that they can start the season ranked if they aren't a tire fire every year.
 
okeefe4prez said:
Irregardless, to the rest of his points, Nebraska isn't freaking dead. 90% of us on here knew, we absolutely knew, that Frost was the wrong hire.
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I didn't. On paper and in everyway the Frost hire seemed like a home run. They previously hired a hapless NFL guy who had never really won anywhere and who ran a feckless program devoid of any identity, and then canned him for the hottest young coach in the Group of 5 who just came off an undefeated season that came out of nowhere. And, he was the QB for your last National Championship Team. What luck!!! The kid had Oregon roots on offense, and ran a modern style offense that could disrupt the Big 10 in the way that Purdue did in the 90s. I was damned worried with this hire.

Regardless, turns out the guy can't coach at this level, and is an asshole through and through. Hee hee. But, let's not engage in revisionist history that we all sat on this Board 4 years ago and predicted this dumpster fire.
 
Frost isn't a great coach, but the bigger problem was that Moos let him bring every single one of his UCF buddies.

Hayden Fry always said he didn't want to have assistants working for him that didn't have aspirations of moving up the ladder towards a HC job. He knew that meant guys weren't going to be sticking around long term, and it works.

Moos let Frost bring 11 G5 assistants to coach in the 2nd toughest overall conference in the nation. Say what you want about the B1G, but those guys were G5 assistants for a fuckin' reason.

What Moos should have done was say, "Listen here, Scooter...We think you're the guy and we think you have what it takes, but your ass is going to go get some big boy football assistants and we're going to pay them accordingly. You're gonna tell your middle school buddies to stay home and sit this one out."

None of the 11 assistants Frost brought with him had more than 3 years college coaching experience (most had 2 years, a couple had no experience other than administrative jobs at UCF), and none of them had ever spent a single day coaching in P5 football except for Troy Walters (one year) and Chinander (one year). And all of a sudden each one of them was a coach at a B1G school. Does not compute. If Nick Saban wants to bring his guys with him you let him bring his guys.

But Frost was playing Pop Warner compared to the B1G and there's zero chance 12 guys were ready to coach real deal Holyfield football. Ze---ro chance.
 
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okeefe4prez said:
I'm old enough to remember when Illinois had some damned nice teams. I recall them playing Colorado in the '90's in a fantastic game in Champagne.

Irregardless, to the rest of his points, Nebraska isn't freaking dead. 90% of us on here knew, we absolutely knew, that Frost was the wrong hire. If Nebraska hired Bielema, Phil Parker or Jim Leonhard, they'd pretty consistently be a 8 or 9 win program. Maybe even consistently a 9 or 10 win program. And then they would be in a position to win the division once every say 4 or 5 years. Maybe even every two or three years. It is not an insurmountable hurdle, they just have to hire a Big Ten guy who understands the line play on both sides of the ball, find a decent QB and keep their skill level guys kind of on par with where they are.

With a 12 team playoff potentially coming, they could easily get into that once, maybe twice a decade if they played their cards right. The veneer is coming off, but they still have enough brand recognition that they can start the season ranked if they aren't a tire fire every year.
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Illinois was in the Rose Bowl as recently as 2007, though that was a stand alone data point. Nothing else positive in the last 15 years.
 
And Chinander freaks me the hell out. He looks like a mid-level bad guy in a shitty mid 90s Bruce Willis movie. You know, the guy who's not in charge but has a squad of goons and gets killed with 14 minutes left in the movie...

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Everything about what's gone on with NE is music to my ears. I actually think they have talent at some positions. But their coaching on game days and prep for them is embarrassingly bad. He admitted to as much when saying they were unprepared for many of the looks IL gave them.

Well for crying out loud I get that was game 1 for Brett B but what tape were you looking at of his to expect him to be running? Wisconsin from 13 yrs ago? And besides that have your own team ready to go. Pure effort and playing fast can cover up for SOME mistakes. But when you make some of the unforgivable ones they made and just pile em up one after another you're just digging your own grave. That QB Martinez can't make some of the mistakes he did. He just can't he has to be your best player and a leader. He's anything but that.

What's Frosts next job going to be? I can't see him salvaging this season. You can't lose to IL like that and go to OU and look even remotely respectable. So it's a matter of at what point does he lose his gig not if isn't it?
 
Hawkfnntn said:
Everything about what's gone on with NE is music to my ears. I actually think they have talent at some positions. But their coaching on game days and prep for them is embarrassingly bad. He admitted to as much when saying they were unprepared for many of the looks IL gave them.

Well for crying out loud I get that was game 1 for Brett B but what tape were you looking at of his to expect him to be running? Wisconsin from 13 yrs ago? And besides that have your own team ready to go. Pure effort and playing fast can cover up for SOME mistakes. But when you make some of the unforgivable ones they made and just pile em up one after another you're just digging your own grave. That QB Martinez can't make some of the mistakes he did. He just can't he has to be your best player and a leader. He's anything but that.

What's Frosts next job going to be? I can't see him salvaging this season. You can't lose to IL like that and go to OU and look even remotely respectable. So it's a matter of at what point does he lose his gig not if isn't it?
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What is Frost’s next gig? You go to coaching rehab….he joins the Alabama coaching staff or you become an consultant/advisor to Belichek the exact same route Beliema took.
 
Hawkfnntn said:
Everything about what's gone on with NE is music to my ears. I actually think they have talent at some positions. But their coaching on game days and prep for them is embarrassingly bad. He admitted to as much when saying they were unprepared for many of the looks IL gave them.

Well for crying out loud I get that was game 1 for Brett B but what tape were you looking at of his to expect him to be running? Wisconsin from 13 yrs ago? And besides that have your own team ready to go. Pure effort and playing fast can cover up for SOME mistakes. But when you make some of the unforgivable ones they made and just pile em up one after another you're just digging your own grave. That QB Martinez can't make some of the mistakes he did. He just can't he has to be your best player and a leader. He's anything but that.

What's Frosts next job going to be? I can't see him salvaging this season. You can't lose to IL like that and go to OU and look even remotely respectable. So it's a matter of at what point does he lose his gig not if isn't it?
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I’d pay a pretty embarrassing amount of money to see nebraska lose to Fordham and roll into that Oklahoma game 0-2.
 
trj said:
What is Frost’s next gig? You go to coaching rehab….he joins the Alabama coaching staff or you become an consultant/advisor to Belichek the exact same route Beliema took.
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I don't think you'll see Frost coaching soon. The epic fail at Nebrasks (a place where he could do no wrong) and more importantly the details about it which will inevitably come out) will be career-killing. Nobody else will want to touch him.

The next year or two will involve an ugly divorce and a new baby if what they're saying on the Nebbie boards is true. If the Husker ADept is able to negotiate away a good piece of his buyout (NCAA investigation and moral turpitude) he may end up in a pretty rough spot supporting 2 families without a high paying gig.
 
Hire the Army (or Navy) coach little red. Go back to Triple Option football. Nah......just stick with Frost and suck ass.
 
hawkdrummer1 said:
Illinois was in the Rose Bowl as recently as 2007, though that was a stand alone data point. Nothing else positive in the last 15 years.
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That's why I put the "I'm old enough to remember" caveat on there. Once Wisconsin got good, Illinois fell off the damned map, but they had some fantastic teams before Wisconsin got good.
 
okeefe4prez said:
I'm old enough to remember when Illinois had some damned nice teams. I recall them playing Colorado in the '90's in a fantastic game in Champagne.

Irregardless, to the rest of his points, Nebraska isn't freaking dead. 90% of us on here knew, we absolutely knew, that Frost was the wrong hire. If Nebraska hired Bielema, Phil Parker or Jim Leonhard, they'd pretty consistently be a 8 or 9 win program. Maybe even consistently a 9 or 10 win program. And then they would be in a position to win the division once every say 4 or 5 years. Maybe even every two or three years. It is not an insurmountable hurdle, they just have to hire a Big Ten guy who understands the line play on both sides of the ball, find a decent QB and keep their skill level guys kind of on par with where they are.

With a 12 team playoff potentially coming, they could easily get into that once, maybe twice a decade if they played their cards right. The veneer is coming off, but they still have enough brand recognition that they can start the season ranked if they aren't a tire fire every year.
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Had they kept Solich most years would have been 9-10 wins
 
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