Passed him By

[OUTofTOWNHAWK]

Did Kirk crush some dream of yours at some point? The amount of posts (ie time) you have made ripping on Kirk in the same old way, my goodness...We get it. You aren't saving anyone from themselves, so if you are on some sort of crusade, move on down the road.

This is good. People defend Kirk in the same way but then when we respond we are the one that are repeating ourselves. More Kirk fans start these topics and they know that these long back and forths will happen.

There would be no amazing amount of post without both sides to this.

I thought better of you jon. If people "get it" why do they respond or start these topics in the first place? Why are you talking down to him because he has a different point of view than you? Without this different point of view there would have been little to talk about on this site during the summer.


So lets take a vote. If everyone is sick of me and they think they have heard everything I have to say then lets put Ole OoTH out to pasture. Lets start weeding out us who are always saying the same thing.

 

[Hal9000]

This is good. People defend Kirk in the same way but then when we respond we are the one that are repeating ourselves. More Kirk fans start these topics and they know that these long back and forths will happen.

There would be no amazing amount of post without both sides to this.

I thought better of you jon. If people "get it" why do they respond or start these topics in the first place? Why are you talking down to him because he has a different point of view than you? Without this different point of view there would have been little to talk about on this site during the summer.


So lets take a vote. If everyone is sick of me and they think they have heard everything I have to say then lets put Ole OoTH out to pasture. Lets start weeding out us who are always saying the same thing.

I vote put OoTH out to pasture, its enough dude.

 

[ShadasRevenge]

KOK was the whipping boy. And many times he was, in reality, damn near genius.

I still think the single best play he ever called was the 3rd-and-short screen to Reisner to clinch the 2010 Insight Bowl. It was good enough to darn near convince me that he told Reisner to get tackled before he scored to run the clock.

The wheel route to Adam Robinson for a touchdown against MSU in 2010 was a pretty good one as well.

 

[ShadasRevenge]

It goes WELL beyond knowing when to call timeouts, although that's also been a consistent issue over the year. I lost count of how many times Tate would stand, fuming, outside the huddle waiting for the play to FINALLY get in. That one's a much bigger deal than timeout usage, IMO. Then, of course, there's the Capitol One Bowl fiasco that turned into a miracle (in other words, lucky).

That's true enough. That said, Kirk is hardly unique in that he has problems recognizing when to call/not call timeout, when to spike the ball, etc. Clock management at all times of the game is a "problem" throughout college football and the NFL.

 

[FreedComanche]

This is good. People defend Kirk in the same way but then when we respond we are the one that are repeating ourselves. More Kirk fans start these topics and they know that these long back and forths will happen.

There would be no amazing amount of post without both sides to this.

I thought better of you jon. If people "get it" why do they respond or start these topics in the first place? Why are you talking down to him because he has a different point of view than you? Without this different point of view there would have been little to talk about on this site during the summer.

I know, man. People who hold to the view that we do on kf here are in the extreme minority and even in the more extreme minority in the total hawk fan base. It is to be expected that we get slammed like this from everybody except Jon Miller. I have always respected Jon in the past and I believe I always will in the future.

Having said that, I am both surprised and disappointed that Jon would respond the way he did to my post.

And Jon, in response to your question, YES, kf did crush my dream concerning hawkeye football. Being a hawk fan my whole life, I was sickened and outraged at what I saw last season. That is the reason I joined this board to hopefully find like minded people that were as mad as I was about what is the current sad state of Iowa football.

FreedComanche

 

[imported_ankle23]

This is good. People defend Kirk in the same way but then when we respond we are the one that are repeating ourselves. More Kirk fans start these topics and they know that these long back and forths will happen.

There would be no amazing amount of post without both sides to this.

I thought better of you jon. If people "get it" why do they respond or start these topics in the first place? Why are you talking down to him because he has a different point of view than you? Without this different point of view there would have been little to talk about on this site during the summer.


So lets take a vote. If everyone is sick of me and they think they have heard everything I have to say then lets put Ole OoTH out to pasture. Lets start weeding out us who are always saying the same thing.

i can not believe JD used this response to anyone else but you. when i read it, i just assumed he was responding to you.

i vote out to pasture as well.

 

[MoseSchrute]

They were pretty average under Callahan. He had a 27-22 record in 4 years at Nebraska (15-17 in the Big 12). That's not just "not good" by Nebraska standards. That's not good at most programs, and it's appallingly bad by the standard for Nebraska fans.

Ah, memories....some of the best years of my life.

 

[deanvogs]

This is good. People defend Kirk in the same way but then when we respond we are the one that are repeating ourselves. More Kirk fans start these topics and they know that these long back and forths will happen.

There would be no amazing amount of post without both sides to this.

I thought better of you jon. If people "get it" why do they respond or start these topics in the first place? Why are you talking down to him because he has a different point of view than you? Without this different point of view there would have been little to talk about on this site during the summer.


So lets take a vote. If everyone is sick of me and they think they have heard everything I have to say then lets put Ole OoTH out to pasture. Lets start weeding out us who are always saying the same thing.

I gots mad love for you OOTH, you know that. My guess is you will be voted out to pasture, and I know the point you are trying to make, but it just don't work. The reality is all hawk fans on this site are frustrated with the state of Iowa football. It just seems to be over the top, all the time with you and Freed, and that is why people come at you guys so much. Don't get all butthurt if JD feels the same way as many of the posters that you battle with daily in these threads.....he has a right to his opinion as well, why can't he say what he thinks?

BtW I vote NO to putting you out to pasture. The only guy deserves to be out to pasture is the stupid fool/troll/ISU fan Foreveriowan....

 

[ShadasRevenge]

I know, man. People who hold to the view that we do on kf here are in the extreme minority and even in the more extreme minority in the total hawk fan base. It is to be expected that we get slammed like this from everybody except Jon Miller. I have always respected Jon in the past and I believe I always will in the future.

Having said that, I am both surprised and disappointed that Jon would respond the way he did to my post.

And Jon, in response to your question, YES, kf did crush my dream concerning hawkeye football. Being a hawk fan my whole life, I was sickened and outraged at what I saw last season. That is the reason I joined this board to hopefully find like minded people that were as mad as I was about what is the current sad state of Iowa football.

FreedComanche

Of course people are upset, but most rational people realize that Kirk has righted the ship twice before, and probably has at least one more 3-4 year run left in him before hanging it up.

Iowa sucked last year, nobody is debating that. That doesn't mean Iowa will suck going forward, or that the funk they're in is a permanent state.

 

[HawkeyeDenis]

"Passed him by" This over used phrase is wrong ninety nine point nine percent of the time. At the end of the day football is still has the same basics. Teaching. Get through to the players. Kirk is still getting through to the players. The evidence is there in the players interviews. They haven't given up on him. They are still buying into the program.

Iowa has had some setbacks in the last few years. A lot of them are due to the large turnover in the coaching staff. Norm was a big loss. KoK was a loss. There were a lot of people who wanted KoK gone. The overall opinion seems to be that was trade down. Time will tell. Tough to come into a job in February and win in September. Recruiting suffered for a couple of years with the coaching changes. Last years team was one of the youngest in the B1G. This year they should be better.

 

[tm3308]

Of course people are upset, but most rational people realize that Kirk has righted the ship twice before, and probably has at least one more 3-4 year run left in him before hanging it up.

Iowa sucked last year, nobody is debating that. That doesn't mean Iowa will suck going forward, or that the funk they're in is a permanent state.

I wouldn't say he probably has one more run left in him. He's going into his 14th year here. That run isn't starting this year, so he'll be going into his 15th year. Not a lot of coaches stay in one place for 15-18 years; I know he's done it before, but I feel like his time for one last hurrah may be running out (or already passed), for better or worse. His career arc hasn't been all that dissimilar from Hayden's, although Hayden was around for a few more years. 2010 was 1997 all over again, and things have only gotten worse since then (not unlike it did for Fry at the end). Ferentz isn't going anywhere for at least another couple years (unless he hangs it up), but things don't look overly positive going forward.

 

[tm3308]

That's true enough. That said, Kirk is hardly unique in that he has problems recognizing when to call/not call timeout, when to spike the ball, etc. Clock management at all times of the game is a "problem" throughout college football and the NFL.

That's true, but like I said, I think the time wasted getting plays in is a bigger deal--largely because of what you just said (timeouts/etc. is an issue at every level for almost every coach). But there is no excuse for taking delay of game penalties, or flirting with it as often as we have over the years.

 

[HawkPhreek]

What do posters mean when they say that "the game has passed Ferentz by"?

See jo pa, Hayden's , Bowden the end of their careers same thing. Predictable, can't unwilling unable to change , can't coach on game day. Gives up obvious obvious obvious on side kick fake punt. Doesn't call time out vs LSU. Clock management is like calculus to a third grader.

 

[JonDMiller]

This is good. People defend Kirk in the same way but then when we respond we are the one that are repeating ourselves. More Kirk fans start these topics and they know that these long back and forths will happen.

There would be no amazing amount of post without both sides to this.

I thought better of you jon. If people "get it" why do they respond or start these topics in the first place? Why are you talking down to him because he has a different point of view than you? Without this different point of view there would have been little to talk about on this site during the summer.


So lets take a vote. If everyone is sick of me and they think they have heard everything I have to say then lets put Ole OoTH out to pasture. Lets start weeding out us who are always saying the same thing.

I get tired of the same old arguments from the same old people who seem to be on some mission to trash Kirk.

I am not gonna sit here and try to change opinions...not what this place is about. But I do have some say on repetitive negativity fro the same people, which wears me and others out and can submarine a forum. I've seen it happen before.

No one is saying people can't post negative opinions or be critical. But there are some on here who just cannot let anything positive or neutral go by without getting out a handful of dirt and marking their territory.

I tire of it.

 

[JonDMiller]

So lets take a vote. If everyone is sick of me and they think they have heard everything I have to say then lets put Ole OoTH out to pasture. Lets start weeding out us who are always saying the same thing.

I don't believe I named you. However, I am reminded of the old saying that if you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one who yelps is the one you meant to hit.

 

[OLWPAORWWM]

This is good. People defend Kirk in the same way but then when we respond we are the one that are repeating ourselves. More Kirk fans start these topics and they know that these long back and forths will happen.

There would be no amazing amount of post without both sides to this.

I thought better of you jon. If people "get it" why do they respond or start these topics in the first place? Why are you talking down to him because he has a different point of view than you? Without this different point of view there would have been little to talk about on this site during the summer.


So lets take a vote. If everyone is sick of me and they think they have heard everything I have to say then lets put Ole OoTH out to pasture. Lets start weeding out us who are always saying the same thing.

Good grief. Was "Days of our Lives" on hiatus this week, so you have a vacuum of drama to fill? The drama of sports is supposed to happen on the field, not in the ego of the fan.

 

[ShadasRevenge]

I wouldn't say he probably has one more run left in him. He's going into his 14th year here. That run isn't starting this year, so he'll be going into his 15th year. Not a lot of coaches stay in one place for 15-18 years; I know he's done it before, but I feel like his time for one last hurrah may be running out (or already passed), for better or worse. His career arc hasn't been all that dissimilar from Hayden's, although Hayden was around for a few more years. 2010 was 1997 all over again, and things have only gotten worse since then (not unlike it did for Fry at the end). Ferentz isn't going anywhere for at least another couple years (unless he hangs it up), but things don't look overly positive going forward.

So what's the plan then? Just for him to fart around the office for a couple of years until it makes sense for Barta to send him on down the road?

 

[WinOneThisCentury]

I get tired of the same old arguments from the same old people who seem to be on some mission to trash Kirk.

I am not gonna sit here and try to change opinions...not what this place is about. But I do have some say on repetitive negativity fro the same people, which wears me and others out and can submarine a forum. I've seen it happen before.

No one is saying people can't post negative opinions or be critical. But there are some on here who just cannot let anything positive or neutral go by without getting out a handful of dirt and marking their territory.

I tire of it.

Thank you...thank you...thank you. I have no issues with people having a difference of opinion on Kirk Ferentz, hell, his conservative by the book style irritates me to no end at times, but the attacks from some are often so baseless that it's forces you to defend him. It's the repetitive arguments that somehow find there way into every thread that has to stop. You can't have a debate on anything without some taking it back to the same stuff.

I commend your stance here.

 

[LASBUR]

Thats easy to say Freed but Im not sure a lot of the guys those schools used to win could get into Iowa. Snyder used a lot of Jucos and who knows what Oregon used. There is something to be said for having the graduation rate Iowa does. Just my opinion

I got the pro kf guys completely figured out. That compilation I put together is what they always lean on when any criticism comes their hero's way. And, hey, overall kf does have a decent overall record at Iowa. I think it's an avg season of 7-5. Not bad.

I also got the anti kf guys, like myself, figured out. We don't buy the whole premise of the pro kf crowd. That premise is this: Iowa is not tOSU and that means we'll never get the good players year in and year out. Because of this, just expect a little above mediocrity like 7-5.

With an attitude like that, K-State and Oregon would still stink. They didn't buy the premise that most Iowa fans currently do.

FreedComanche

 

[PCHawk]

The argument from Kirk lovers and Kirk haters is very understandable because both have a good point.

It is probably impossible to find a coach who is as good at fielding a good team at Iowa as Kirk is who is willing to stick around. On the other hand he is extremely frustrating because he makes the same game day coaching mistakes over and over.
Part of me would rather be the underdog who consistently steals a couple wins to average 7-5 then be the favorite that loses a couple of games a year that they have no business losing to average 7-5. The other part of me loves having a good team who is capable of winning every game we play even tho we lose a couple we shouldn't.

Iowa was extremely lucky to get Kirk. They were also extremely unlucky he just happened to be such a bad game day coach.