Passed him By

[OUTofTOWNHAWK]

Nothing is on the line, with the exception of trying to win games.

There were times in games where it was known that Iowa was not going to win due to time and the score. There was a time in the season when there was not a chance to go to a bowl game anymore.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Come to think of it, wasn't the Pitt game also the game where KF (on camera) called over all the defensive lineman while they were on the sideline and gave them a good *** chewing? KF had a meltdown that game. Or maybe some of his coaches began to mutiny?

Now it's just laffy. Or, in the words of Ralphie Wiggum, "Funny, but not 'ha-ha' funny".

You are citing one single game. And now you're citing a single instance of KF giving the Dline an a&&-chewing. As the Head Coach, you do realize it IS his prerogative to do that, right?

There were plenty of other problems in 2011. Tempo was down the list a way.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Yeah, that really was foolish not to at least incoporate it at some level in the offense. I mean, that was JVB's strength. Waching JVB in the second half of that Pitt game was the most fun I had watching a kf offense.

FreedComanche

Think about that WHOLE season. The defense was awful most of the season. While there was a shining moment or two (actually holding Denard Robinson-led Michigan to 16 points, beating NW), there was the debacle against PSU (where we looked "JV" with JVB), the very uninspired performance against Minnesota (wasting a huge day for Coker), et. al.

But to Homer Champless's credit, he certainly remembers clearly that we never went to "no-hudd...uh, forget that. We used it against MSU. And MSU set what will become a new trend, I predict, with their fake injuries.

Yes, no-huddle can be "weapon". Sleazy/disrespectful coaches can neutralize it.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

There were times in games where it was known that Iowa was not going to win due to time and the score. There was a time in the season when there was not a chance to go to a bowl game anymore.

But, you can put that into two schools of thought:

--You don't "penalize" JVB for a crappy "team" performance
OR
--You don't "penalize" the back-up by exposing him to a crappy "team" performance

 

[HomerChampless]

Not only that, but every pass play called has multiple routes run, in which the QB reads the D and makes the decision on which WR to throw to.

Some people are so idiotic it is incredible. KF doesn't call the plays either way, good or bad ones for that matter. That is what a OC does.

Look, I agree KF doesn't call the offense, but he sure as heck sets parameters for what the offense should and should not do. Any coach the steps outside those parameters is in the doghouse.

 

[HomerChampless]

Now it's just laffy. Or, in the words of Ralphie Wiggum, "Funny, but not 'ha-ha' funny".

You are citing one single game. And now you're citing a single instance of KF giving the D line an a&&-chewing. As the Head Coach, you do realize it IS his prerogative to do that, right?

There were plenty of other problems in 2011. Tempo was down the list a way.

Right, I'm inferring a bit, here. What we do know is that KOK left at the end of the 2011 season (maybe, partly, because he stepped out of bounds with the hurry-up play calling in the Pitt game) and Kaczenski who was head of Iowa's D line in 2011 went to Nebraska at the end of the 2011 season (maybe, partly, because KF took over responsibilities of the D line in the Pitt game). I know most HCs have some expertise in all phases of the game, but I'm not sure how extensive KF's expertise was in the defensive line.... And if the HC intervenes in a 'lower coaches' business, that's definitely a sign the HC isn't happy with the 'lower coach's' performance.

 

[HomerChampless]

Think about that WHOLE season. The defense was awful most of the season. While there was a shining moment or two (actually holding Denard Robinson-led Michigan to 16 points, beating NW), there was the debacle against PSU (where we looked "JV" with JVB), the very uninspired performance against Minnesota (wasting a huge day for Coker), et. al.

But to Homer Champless's credit, he certainly remembers clearly that we never went to "no-hudd...uh, forget that. We used it against MSU. And MSU set what will become a new trend, I predict, with their fake injuries.

Yes, no-huddle can be "weapon". Sleazy/disrespectful coaches can neutralize it.

Yes, I remember that now. Iowa's offense went to no-huddle against MSU on one drive close to the end of the game, but that All-American (was it Worthy#99) kept faking injuries. The refs didn't call any delay of game penalties against MSU. Was there another instance of Iowa using the no-huddle against any other team in 2011? Just Pitt in the second half and the one drive close to the end against MSU? I understand no no-huddle in 2012 'cause everybody was getting acclimated to Davis' system.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Yes, I remember that now. Iowa's offense went to no-huddle against MSU on one drive close to the end of the game, but that All-American (was it Worthy#99) kept faking injuries. The refs didn't call any delay of game penalties against MSU. Was there another instance of Iowa using the no-huddle against any other team in 2011? Just Pitt in the second half and the one drive close to the end against MSU? I understand no no-huddle in 2012 'cause everybody was getting acclimated to Davis' system.

Actually, it was two drives against MSU.

Either way, "tempo" is down the list of problems for both 2011 and 2012.

Yes, there WERE issues with Kaz, and apparently with others, as well. But I doubt KF would jump in if it was NOT necessary.

Again, you don't implement "no-huddle" on a whim. I don't ever remember it being worked on before. It is obvious they used it in Spring game this year. If it gets implemented, and with success, hurray. No complaints from me.

But to say, "We should have used it in this game and we didn't!" is disingenuous when it isn't something we have had in the system beyond the two-minute drill.

Personally, I have no "problem" with no-huddle, but I also don't think it's necessarily as much of a weapon in B1G, where high-scoring and lack of defense aren't exactly the things we have seen rule the day in this conference.

But if we ONLY use it as part of two-minute drill, it either becomes worthless because we haven't used it much (too far behind/too far ahead, thus no point), or we simply don't have the talent.

Note that some of the teams that have beaten us late ARE teams that use no-huddle at SOME point during the course of the game OUTSIDE the last two minutes. If we do that, as well, it can't help but be "easier" to run it if/when we need it late.

 

[Eda]

There were times in games where it was known that Iowa was not going to win due to time and the score. There was a time in the season when there was not a chance to go to a bowl game anymore.

The only games that fit that criteria would be the PSU and Mich game. We certainly weren't out of bowl contention for the PSU game. But I don't know why a backup wasn't given late game snaps against Mich.
My theory on that would be its a sign of giving up on the season before its over. That'd be unfair to everyone in the team. To my recollection, that's not KirFer's style.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

The only games that fit that criteria would be the PSU and Mich game. We certainly weren't out of bowl contention for the PSU game. But I don't know why a backup wasn't given late game snaps against Mich.
My theory on that would be its a sign of giving up on the season before its over. That'd be unfair to everyone in the team. To my recollection, that's not KirFer's style.

I still think it was a matter of NOT "punishing" JVB combined with not wanting to throw any backup(s) to the wolves.

 

[Eda]

I still think it was a matter of NOT "punishing" JVB combined with not wanting to throw any backup(s) to the wolves.

I think it's broader than that.
I think it was JVB that gave us the best chance to win, since he had taken all the snaps, the most practice reps, spent the most time with the offense, etc. Had he tossed another QB in there to get him some reps for the next year would've been a slap in the face to everyone on the team. Everyone works extremely hard throughout the offseason to win. With the exception of a late game opportunity vs Mich, there weren't any other spots to play a backup. Technically before the Mich game, we were still playing to get a bowl.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

I think it's broader than that.
I think it was JVB that gave us the best chance to win, since he had taken all the snaps, the most practice reps, spent the most time with the offense, etc. Had he tossed another QB in there to get him some reps for the next year would've been a slap in the face to everyone on the team. Everyone works extremely hard throughout the offseason to win. With the exception of a late game opportunity vs Mich, there weren't any other spots to play a backup. Technically before the Mich game, we were still playing to get a bowl.

Sure. But the PSU game also was a game that a backup could have seen action. Possibly Northwestern and Minnesota. Other than that, every game was pretty much close enough to keep starter(s) in the game.

 

[HomerChampless]

Iowa should/could implement the no-huddle when they are well behind with few minutes remaining... Like Pitt and MSU. Then onside kick.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

Iowa should/could implement the no-huddle when they are well behind with few minutes remaining... Like Pitt and MSU. Then onside kick.

Again, I am NOT down on the no-huddle. But I don't know that it is the be-all/end-all, either. But if it is going to work when "needed", better to have game experience with it, not just practice experience.

Just off top of my head, I would intentionally have us run it one series per half no matter the circumstances. I would also use multiple QBs for a game or two so all QBs have game experience with it. But that's me. I can't speak to the staff or players and what would actually work best. But I DO know that the more often they "game" it, the better it will be when a game is on the line.

 

[OUTofTOWNHAWK]

Again, I am NOT down on the no-huddle. But I don't know that it is the be-all/end-all, either. But if it is going to work when "needed", better to have game experience with it, not just practice experience.

Just off top of my head, I would intentionally have us run it one series per half no matter the circumstances. I would also use multiple QBs for a game or two so all QBs have game experience with it. But that's me. I can't speak to the staff or players and what would actually work best. But I DO know that the more often they "game" it, the better it will be when a game is on the line.

Bingo Bobo. See if they use it then other teams have to atleast think about it. Lets be honest there is a real problem if it doesnt work in some of the earlier games.

 

[Sooby]

Without Norm Parker, Kirk Ferentz would not have gotten those contract extensions.
IMO, Norm Parker was an above average DC and KOK was an average OC.
Greg Davis should have been let go after last year with a Senior QB.

 

[HomerChampless]

Without Norm Parker, Kirk Ferentz would not have gotten those contract extensions.
IMO, Norm Parker was an above average DC and KOK was an average OC.
Greg Davis should have been let go after last year with a Senior QB.

Ya love Norm, don't ya. Get a room.