Out Coached

[CGHawk]

Three of the five starters tonight are Fran's guys who have all been in the program a year. Basabe and Oglesby are both Fran's guys and played the most minutes off the bench. They are HIS players, we got schooled because we don't know how to attack against a 1-3-1.

Are you saying that you really think that Fran doesn't know how to attack a 1-3-1 zone? Or are you saying the players don't know how?

There is a difference. Fran can tell the players to do everything the correct way, but that doesn't mean they are going to do it or execute it. Our execution was awful. A lot of their success on D can be attributed to our poor play at the guard spot and our inability to pass/swing the ball quickly and accurately.

There were only a few players that looked like they showed up to play tonight and it is hard to win when that happens.

 

[oregonhawkeye]

When you lose that bad to that team, it's gotta be both coaching and execution. I don't think Fran really cared whether we competed- he wanted to get BC back and was willing to sacrifice now to try to make it happen.
Unfortunately that dude is a dud.

 

[GoHawks24]

When you lose that bad to that team, it's gotta be both coaching and execution. I don't think Fran really cared whether we competed- he wanted to get BC back and was willing to sacrifice now to try to make it happen. Unfortunately that dude is a dud.

You don't think Fran really cared whether we competed!?! Wow, just wow..

 

[Section136]

This thread is hilarious. Basketball team gets blown out and its because of a lack of execution.

Football team loses a game by 4 and all the coaches either:

A) Need to be fired

B) Need to drastically change their coaching philosophy

C) Need to be fired

 

[TChawk]

Our PG play and brutal shooting is killing us. McCabe 0 points and 4 fouls....stellar. Ready to see the recruits put him and May on the bench next year. Getting clowned by NW's brainiacs is too much.

As good as McCabe as been this year you want to see him on the bench.....wow clueless as can be here.

 

[Ihawk209]

Cartwright and defense, not coaching, were the problems tonight.

I haven't seen Cartwright play so poorly. He did not deserve those minutes last night.

 

[SteveGarvey]

Fran said they worked against the 1-3-1 all week in practice. It's not coaching, it's just not having the talent. Goodness, we're 5-7 in the conference with substandard talent and it's the coaching? Many of us thought we might be 2-10 right now.

 

[Section136]

Our PG play and brutal shooting is killing us. McCabe 0 points and 4 fouls....stellar. Ready to see the recruits put him and May on the bench next year. Getting clowned by NW's brainiacs is too much.

We shot 51.1% from the field. Our shooting was not killing us. More like turnovers and defense were killing us.

McCabe had a terrible game, but to declare that incoming freshman are going to "put him on the bench next year" is ridiculous. Lets just totally discount the strides he has made since last year because of one bad game. Sounds fair.

And why do people think that since NW has been terrible for most of their lives that they arent a respectable program right now and are nowhere close to the worst team in the B1G. They have an RPI in the 30's and just won in Champaign on Sunday.

A lot people knew this was a bad matchup for the Hawks, especially with it in Evanston. It turned out about as bad as it could.

 

[Ihawk209]

I was most disappointed with the personnel groups that Fran had on the floor. Our small lineup was not quick enough to cover the perimeter and we had no size inside to rebound (2nd half). Not to be too redundant, but Cartwright had no business playing that second half.

 

[hawkIhoops]

Fran said they worked against the 1-3-1 all week in practice. It's not coaching, it's just not having the talent. Goodness, we're 5-7 in the conference with substandard talent and it's the coaching? Many of us thought we might be 2-10 right now.

I agree with you, but why did McCaffrey invest 2 of 3 scholarships in guys that aren't able to contribute much? Not sure I understand his reasoning for not getting some help in for this season. If not for White being one of the top freshman in the big ten, his freshman class would be underwhelming.

Not knocking what Oglesby has done, but he is a specialist and is either "on" with his shot, or "on" the bench. I would rather have a juco rebounder / defender and a scorer and or better PG than Cartwright. Outside of White and Marble, I would say we have 3 starting spots open for next year.

 

[HawkI101]

Fran said they worked against the 1-3-1 all week in practice. It's not coaching, it's just not having the talent. Goodness, we're 5-7 in the conference with substandard talent and it's the coaching? Many of us thought we might be 2-10 right now.

It was coaching tonight?? A coach and get out coached on occassion and tonight we did. We never tried anything different against the 1-3-1. If what you worked on all week wasn't working, you have to change. Iowa never occupied the middle ever in that zone which allowed 3 guys to be around our guards out top and made passes almost impossible. We just didn't make any adjustments except going to a zone against a team that makes 3s all the time. Not a good adjustment.

 

[JHHawk]

My list:

1. I do not really think that the 1-3-1 zone leaves space for an offensive player to get in the middle and catch an entry pass...there is a defender there.

2. I do not think Iowa was ready for as much 1-3-1 as they played,nor as hard a trap,with three guys, that they tweaked it with. A short pg like Bryce just got buried with that trap. We needed two taller guards on top last nite,who could jump up and fire a pass to the corners.

3. I think it was a team loss,including the coaching staff.

4. NW was favored,and this is their best team...ever. So this was not a shock. They handled MSU with some ease last week,and are playing hot right now.

Just one of those nites,ya know?

 

[talkinhawks]

My list:

1. I do not really think that the 1-3-1 zone leaves space for an offensive player to get in the middle and catch an entry pass...there is a defender there.

2. I do not think Iowa was ready for as much 1-3-1 as they played,nor as hard a trap,with three guys, that they tweaked it with. A short pg like Bryce just got buried with that trap. We needed two taller guards on top last nite,who could jump up and fire a pass to the corners.

3. I think it was a team loss,including the coaching staff.

4. NW was favored,and this is their best team...ever. So this was not a shock. They handled MSU with some ease last week,and are playing hot right now.

Just one of those nites,ya know?

+1

Iowa played much better in the 1st half with Marble running the point. He is big enough to throw over the top rather than lobbing passes back and forth.

I think Fran only got outcoached in the sense that he should have sat Cartwright more; there was some foul trouble early in the 2nd half and maybe that's why BC logged all the minutes, but he was completely ineffective.

Turnovers were a huge difference in the game and a lot of those were not on the coaching staff....

 

[Foval21]

one way to attack a 1-3-1 is to dribble at the middle guy of the 3 from the wing. as this happens you need 1 guy in each corner and the playside corner man goes to the short corner to pull the bottom man out and the backside corner cuts to basket. if the ball can get to basket he does or he hits short corner if no step out or the beackside cutter. our problem was we didnt attack the middle man of the 3 appropriately and then we had bad, slow passes.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

There were alot of problems with this game. I wouldn't say coaching wasn't a problem because I'm sure coach would even say he needs to do better. But when you shoot over 50% and get killed not just lose but really wasn't even in the game most of 2nd half. Way too many turnovers and defensive lapses. We had 18 turnovers lets say we cut that number in half and score on half of those possessions. That'd still be only 10 to 12 more points. So that said I feel defense and them shooting some ungodly %from 3pt land being the biggest problem. That is a combo of effort/athleticsm and coaching.

 

[SteveGarvey]

It was coaching tonight?? A coach and get out coached on occassion and tonight we did. We never tried anything different against the 1-3-1. If what you worked on all week wasn't working, you have to change. Iowa never occupied the middle ever in that zone which allowed 3 guys to be around our guards out top and made passes almost impossible. We just didn't make any adjustments except going to a zone against a team that makes 3s all the time. Not a good adjustment.

OK, fair enough. Let's see how we do when N'Western comes to town the last game. I bet Fran coaches 'em up a lot more against what they do and the adjustments will be evident by the success of our team.

 

[HawkI101]

OK, fair enough. Let's see how we do when N'Western comes to town the last game. I bet Fran coaches 'em up a lot more against what they do and the adjustments will be evident by the success of our team.

I am sure we will have more adjustments for them at that time, Fran is a good coach, just didn't make adjustments tonight.

 

[HawkI101]

My list:

1. I do not really think that the 1-3-1 zone leaves space for an offensive player to get in the middle and catch an entry pass...there is a defender there.

2. I do not think Iowa was ready for as much 1-3-1 as they played,nor as hard a trap,with three guys, that they tweaked it with. A short pg like Bryce just got buried with that trap. We needed two taller guards on top last nite,who could jump up and fire a pass to the corners.

3. I think it was a team loss,including the coaching staff.

4. NW was favored,and this is their best team...ever. So this was not a shock. They handled MSU with some ease last week,and are playing hot right now.

Just one of those nites,ya know?

I agree with you that you can't get the ball to the middle of the 1-3-1 from the top, but you have to occupy that defender to open up passing lanes, as the ball is moved around then it can get to the middle. If you don't occupy the defender then they can play 3 defenders on one guard, then you have a small guy trying to throw over top of the zone which allows for easy recovery from the defenders.

Even if we didn't put a man in the middle we could have screened the top of the zone more.

Fran is a good coach and I am sure we will attack it differently next time, we just didn't do a good job of in game adjustments.

 

[HawkMD2007]

Sometimes (actually several times this year) I get the sense that the entire team, including the coaches, are just mailing it in. We did not show the desire as players or coaches to do anything about it. This is what gets to me. At least go down scrapping....

 

[SteveGarvey]

Sometimes (actually several times this year) I get the sense that the entire team, including the coaches, are just mailing it in. We did not show the desire as players or coaches to do anything about it. This is what gets to me. At least go down scrapping....

No.

Teams that are getting dominated in any sport can look demoralized and mentally down but I highly doubt they were just mailing it in.