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DaHawk56

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Coming into this year, everyone expected Iowa to have a rough year due to the inexperience of the Iowa team. In fact, I believe the consensus was that Iowa would finish last in the Big Ten. Guess what, as expected, it was a tough year. Iowa didn't finish last in the Big Ten, but they struggled nonetheless. However, if you tuned in consistently throughout the year, you'd have seen the big improvement made by the players.

With a more experienced team returning in addition to Lick's best recruiting class, I think Lick deserves another year. The cupboard was bare when Lick signed on. The losses of Smith and Kelly were huge and cannot be attributed to Lick. The losses of Freeman, Peterson, Palmer and Davis can be attributed to Lick but were not Lick's recruits. The only Lick recruit to leave was Tucker, and Tucker clearly has some issues he needs to straighten out.

All I'm saying is Lick finally has the pieces in place, his pieces. Let's give him a chance and see what he can do with it.
 
The cupboard wasn't loaded when Lick took over, but it wasn't bare, either. We have regressed under his leadership.

I think it's too late to make the case for another year, though. All indications are that he is going to be fired.
 
No thanks. I want him out now so we can have an opportunity to watch exciting basketball again.

The fan base has been lost and there is no way momentum can be regained in one season in my opinion. Not to mention, who knows what will happen with transfers if he stays. We may be starting from the beginning again for all we know. There is a history with this coach and that happening.

As Bobby said, the players' skill set doesn't match this style of offense. It's completely obvious. I'm not convinced giving Lick 3 more seasons would necessarily matter with this system in the Big Ten.
 
Improvements throughout the year???? I watched consistantly and there was one or two times this year I thought they were getting better but they weren't. There first 10 losses of the year they lost by avg of 13.5 and their lost 11 losses by an avg of 15 a game. That is not improvement. You would think that after getting throttled by Minn the first time a coach could make adjustments to be more competitive but we got throttled worst the second time (thats just one example). Some individual players made strides but as a TEAM we got worse.
 
HawkI101 said:
Improvements throughout the year???? I watched consistantly and there was one or two times this year I thought they were getting better but they weren't. There first 10 losses of the year they lost by avg of 13.5 and their lost 11 losses by an avg of 15 a game. That is not improvement. You would think that after getting throttled by Minn the first time a coach could make adjustments to be more competitive but we got throttled worst the second time (thats just one example). Some individual players made strides but as a TEAM we got worse.
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Their last 11 losses of the year came against much better competition than those first 10 losses.

Simple logic...
 
briankaldenberg said:
Their last 11 losses of the year came against much better competition than those first 10 losses.

Simple logic...
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It's not just the record, or the transfers, or the rumors of unhappy players, or the recruiting....

It's the record, AND the transfers, AND the rumors of unhappy players, AND the recruiting....
 
DuffMan said:
It's not just the record, or the transfers, or the rumors of unhappy players, or the recruiting....

It's the record, AND the transfers, AND the rumors of unhappy players, AND the recruiting....
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...and the empty arena...and the ticked off boosters....and the boring system.....
 
YES to one more year. It's been bad...but how bad does it look for Iowa to fire a guy after 3 years? Who is going to want to take this job knowing they will be booted without the chance to even get a full roster of their own guys in here. It's a huge mistake to fire him now.
 
I can answer that, win more games and you won't have that problem. Lackluster has his own guys, this is football where it takes some time to get a program put in place. He has gotten worse every year he has been here, and if you can honestly say this team improved throughout this year, please let me know what you're smoking cause I'd like to take a hit of that.
 
Gohawks123 said:
YES to one more year. It's been bad...but how bad does it look for Iowa to fire a guy after 3 years? Who is going to want to take this job knowing they will be booted without the chance to even get a full roster of their own guys in here. It's a huge mistake to fire him now.
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The guy was in charge over the worst 3 year stretch in IOWA HISTORY. With his worst year being his third season...when all of the players were his guys under his system. There is not another school in the country that would accept these results along with zero fan interest and angry boosters.

The mistake is to give him another year and then to go through all this next season. Because that will severely affect recruiting. Get him out right now and we get a head start on ISU for potential in state recruits(Jok and others).

How people can't see this is beyond me. Giving him another year will not change anything. Except you will see even less butts in the seats at Carver.
 
So you would prefer to wait and let fuller and gatens annouce their transfers,then decide to pull the plug? C'mon...it is clear that Barta met with the players this week and did not like what he heard.

Are you willing to suffer thru next year with lick,with fuller and gatens gone? Not me.
 
1977Hawkeye said:
The cupboard wasn't loaded when Lick took over, but it wasn't bare, either. We have regressed under his leadership.
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Lick took over with the following guys:

Gorney (entering senior year) - junior year stats: 5.5 points/gm, 3.8 rebs/gm
Tate (entering junior year) - sophomore year stats: 4.2 points/gm, 4.4 rebs/gm
Looby (entering senior year) - junior year stats: 3.8 points/gm, 4.6 rebs/gm
Palmer (entering sophomore year) - freshman year stats: 3.0 points/gm, 2.0 rebs/gm
Angle (entering junior year) - sophomore year stats: 1.7 points/gm, 1.0 rebs/gm
Johnson (entering senior year) - junior year stats: 5.4 points/gm, 2.3 rebs/gm
Freeman (entering junior year) - sophomore year stats: 7.5 points/gm, 3.7 assists/gm
Bohall (entering sophomore year) - freshman year stats: 0.4 points/gm, 0.1 rebs/gm
Peterson (incoming freshman)
Kelly (incoming freshman)
Cole (incoming freshman)

That looks pretty bare to me. I think we are in a better position now then we were when Lick came in. Granted, the Big Ten is better overall. But I think if everyone returns and with the incoming class Iowa should be competitive in the Big Ten again starting next year.

Granted, if Lick's recruited players start abandoning him, maybe it's time to move on. But I think everyone will return for next year.

Also, with the Carver renovations going on, the economy crappy and Lick's buyout so large, I don't see how we'd have the money to spend on a better coach then Lick assuming a better coach than Lick is even willing to come to Iowa right now anyway. Sure, if Pearl is a go, I think Iowa has the players to be competitive next year, regardless of coach. But picking up another budding mid-major coach just doesn't seem like a good idea. How many mid-major coaches are we going to train to be good coaches elsewhere?

Given the situation Lick came into, a little patience was expected. Hence, the long contract with expensive buyout.
 
Players shouldn't run the program. I know for a fact that a few weeks ago Barta was fully behind Lick as the coach, and wanted to give him AT LEAST 1 more year. Now you have a handful of boosters that are upset and have spread rumors that Lick is gone to stir things up. It isn't right...and the question now becomes, who is really running the Iowa athletic department?
 
Gohawks123 said:
Players shouldn't run the program. I know for a fact that a few weeks ago Barta was fully behind Lick as the coach, and wanted to give him AT LEAST 1 more year. Now you have a handful of boosters that are upset and have spread rumors that Lick is gone to stir things up. It isn't right...and the question now becomes, who is really running the Iowa athletic department?
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This is the business. This is what every coach knows when they accept a division 1 position. This isn't something that us mean Iowans are doing. College athletics are a business.

Keeping your boosters happy is as important as winning games.
 
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