Omicron Covid

Northside Hawk

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The medical crucible is in play right now in Europe where Spain and Italy have high vax rates and their case levels are steadily low from reporting I have heard while at the same time Germany and many other more central European countries with much lower vax rates are reeling from huge increases in contagion. It comes down to whether you want high infection rates or low infection rates, lots of spread or very little spread.

True anti-vaxxers are a small percentage, maybe 1-2% in the US (and it is probably also the case in most modern countries) so the main reason right now that 30%+ of people are not getting vaxxed because of mainly politics. And a huge number of leaders telling people the vaccines is not safe are vaxxed themselves.
Being vaxxed does not slow down the spread, though that was believed to be true at one time.

Being vaxxed does reduce the risk of getting seriously ill if you do catch the virus.

And the jury is still out on the effects of the Omicron variant. Don't believe any doomsday reports until people have had a chance to study effects.
 

Northside Hawk

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Do you wear a seat belt when you drive? The same logic applies ...

I am old enough when some people thought seat belts were an invasion of freedom. :)

Seat belts are also now mandatory (and part of what everyone does). Folks didn't like it when the government told them to buckle up back in the day, but people just got used to it.

This video (from the 80s) is kind of funny ... now.

Made folk heroes out of Vince and Larry. I saw many Vince and Larry duos at Halloween parties back in the day.
 

beavdawg8216

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Geesus, he's not comparing what can be prevented or controlled, he's showing the fatality numbers and using the other conditions to prove a point. I can't believe you don't get the point of his post.
I posted because i get the post and his point was to try and say why dont we stop heart disease and other instead of just covid when well it is your choice to prevent heart disease and not your choice to get covid. i think you missed the context of his post.
 

PCHawk

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False. Being unprotected makes people get themselves sick.

If you're vaccinated, have good personal health, and socially distance your chances of getting seriously sick or dying are virtually nonexistent.

If you don't want to get sick or die, protect yourself.
I love the first sentence of your post. I might steal that one. It's a better way to say what I've already been saying. You can take personal responsibility for getting it, or you can pass the blame to someone else who also randomly got it from someone.
 

Fryowa

Administrator
It is your choice to prevent heart disease and not your choice to get covid. i think you missed the context of his post.
That’s bullshit.

If you’re vaccinated, in good health, wear a mask, and social distance, your risk of getting sick or dying from civic is essentially zero. If you don’t want to do any of those things that’s your choice. Don’t tell me I have to stick a needle in my arm when there’s no risk other than to myself.
 

PCHawk

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I've got a question for all of the people who are really nervous about covid still. It's a serious question that I'm hoping gets a response from some people. Is your opinion on covid based on what you have seen in your personal life over the last couple years? Or is it based on what you see on the news and social media? Or maybe a combination of both?

I'd really like to believe that people have their opinions based on their own experiences. But at the same time, if you're the type of person who has spent the last year and a half living in a shell, I guess it's natural to assume you're only alive because of your caution. I suppose it's probably easier for someone like me to rely on personal experience since I haven't changed my life one bit (other than the first month or so when we knew nothing).
 

PCHawk

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In my opinion, pretty much half the people grow up and are independent enough to not need/want direction from other people, and half the people grow up and still feel like they need direction. That half looks to the government for answers. All politicians know this and use that knowledge to try to sway votes.

Republicans try to appease the 50% that don't want to be told what to do. They push freedom and giving you the tools to help yourself. Democrats try to appease the 50% that need direction in life. They tell you they have the power to save you if you just listen to them and vote for them.

Thats all any of this is politically. I doubt there is much, if any, difference in a democrat or Republican's opinion on the severity of covid. Or their option on how much they can actually save you. They are all just jumping through hoops to sway voters.
 

PCHawk

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I posted because i get the post and his point was to try and say why dont we stop heart disease and other instead of just covid when well it is your choice to prevent heart disease and not your choice to get covid. i think you missed the context of his post.
It's not your choice to get covid, but to a pretty big extent its your choice to not be healthy enough to fight it off.
 

MelroseHawkins

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In my opinion, pretty much half the people grow up and are independent enough to not need/want direction from other people, and half the people grow up and still feel like they need direction. That half looks to the government for answers. All politicians know this and use that knowledge to try to sway votes.

Republicans try to appease the 50% that don't want to be told what to do. They push freedom and giving you the tools to help yourself. Democrats try to appease the 50% that need direction in life. They tell you they have the power to save you if you just listen to them and vote for them.

Thats all any of this is politically. I doubt there is much, if any, difference in a democrat or Republican's opinion on the severity of covid. Or their option on how much they can actually save you. They are all just jumping through hoops to sway voters.

This group also suppresses the people and makes them dependent on government. If they do that, they will continue to get votes if people are reliant on the government. They use scare tactics and handouts. It's not because they are civil minded. They want to sell it as that but it is not that. It's all about securing a votes to push their agenda or what they want done to benefit THEM. Why do they want to open up borders and let illegals flood our country. Is it really because they are compassionate and civil minded. NO! Why, because these are people who will be reliant on government handouts and services to live, WHICH, will secure and boost their votes.

People need to wake up. We are running over our resources in this country which 1) Doesn't do any good for our legal population and is not fair to US citizens. 2) In the end really causes a disservice to these individuals trying to live. Some may flourish, but the mere numbers coming in, many or most will not leading to crime for them to have to survive.

It's a mess people. People need to wake up and vote right, or we are going to lose this country.

Signed,

My Rant.
 

Glass1/2fullguy

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In my opinion, pretty much half the people grow up and are independent enough to not need/want direction from other people, and half the people grow up and still feel like they need direction. That half looks to the government for answers. All politicians know this and use that knowledge to try to sway votes.

Republicans try to appease the 50% that don't want to be told what to do. They push freedom and giving you the tools to help yourself. Democrats try to appease the 50% that need direction in life. They tell you they have the power to save you if you just listen to them and vote for them.

Thats all any of this is politically. I doubt there is much, if any, difference in a democrat or Republican's opinion on the severity of covid. Or their option on how much they can actually save you. They are all just jumping through hoops to sway voters.
I say it this way: conservatives like to allow one to wipe their own ass while liberals like to wipe one’s ass for them.
 
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Northside Hawk

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I've got a question for all of the people who are really nervous about covid still. It's a serious question that I'm hoping gets a response from some people. Is your opinion on covid based on what you have seen in your personal life over the last couple years? Or is it based on what you see on the news and social media? Or maybe a combination of both?

I'd really like to believe that people have their opinions based on their own experiences. But at the same time, if you're the type of person who has spent the last year and a half living in a shell, I guess it's natural to assume you're only alive because of your caution. I suppose it's probably easier for someone like me to rely on personal experience since I haven't changed my life one bit (other than the first month or so when we knew nothing).
Some people enjoy being sheep, enjoy being told what to do, enjoy having fear instilled in them, enjoy expecting the worst case scenario to unfold.

That same mentality kept us mired in the Great Depression longer than we needed to be. That same mentality caused some to go batshit when listening to the War Of The World's radio program. Even though they knew it wasn't true and they could see that it wasn't true, some still panicked because a decade of being constantly told to panic had made them gullible to almost anything.
 
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