Oliver Martin...

[HomerChampless]

Hmmm... Really? Bet you'd have a hard time finding more then a few successful (FBS) head coaches that weren't that way... You'd have to be in order to be a good head coach. There's an old saying... "you stick your head above the crowd and you'll get the tomatoes thrown at you." Just look at today's current list of highly successful coaches... Saban, Meyer, and so on...

This link is sportingnews rankings - released Aug., 2017: http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-fo...io-harbaugh-stoops/10wt4yvdwrt7f1mpc6g1w4lv2w

OK. You have me there. KF has reached his plateau which is an occasional great season followed by loads of mediocrity. You don't think, for example, great athletes will come to Iowa? How did Forest Evashevski get it done? Don't ask KF. He can't do it so he proclaims it can't be done.

All KF needs to do is build the program and athletes will come...not this program.

 

[Joshbrown]

BF worked for Beliechek for awhile... I don't think he does favors in that regard. I could be wrong but he's in the business of winning at the highest level and I can't see him just giving BF a job out of charity for any length of time. Other coaches were offering him gigs when he came back to Iowa. So as much as I get the whole nepotism thing from those that don't pay attention it's just not real. He's as qualified as any of the other young bucks out there in high profile gigs if not more. He grew up in IC. Played HS and college ball at a high level. Pretty sure he wants to win and succeed as much or more then anyone else. I'm not going to rail on him... Yet. He deserves as fair a shake as anyone else

Of the 100 resumes Barta received his was the best? The odds seem to be against that.

 

[hawkeyes87]

BF worked for Beliechek for awhile...
He's as qualified as any of the other young bucks out there in high profile gigs if not more. He grew up in IC. Played HS and college ball at a high level. Pretty sure he wants to win and succeed as much or more then anyone else. I'm not going to rail on him... Yet. He deserves as fair a shake as anyone else

Wow. That's your idea of qualified? For Offensive Coordinator?? Couple years as Belichick's TE's coach. Grew up in IC ???????? Wants to win and succeed ??????????

Clearly you, sir, should be the A.D. at the University of Iowa.

 

[koralakers]

I am assuming he redshirted--no catches or carries. Their LEADING receiver had only 300 yds. WOW. Even a KF coached team always has more.

 

[ShockHawk22]

^^^^^ has to stay 1000 feet away from all K-12 schools in his town

 

[Joshbrown]

Wow. That's your idea of qualified? For Offensive Coordinator?? Couple years as Belichick's TE's coach. Grew up in IC ???????? Wants to win and succeed ??????????

Clearly you, sir, should be the A.D. at the University of Iowa.

From the link:
"Kirk Ferentz announced Monday that he is handing the reins of his offense to his oldest son, filling the crucial coordinator vacancy just five days after Greg Davis told him of his plans to retire. Kirk Ferentz, 61, said he never hesitated to give such an important and publicly scrutinized job to his son."

http://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sp...brian-ferentz-offensive-coordinator/96357018/

The underlined part makes it clear there wasn't a job search. I always wondered if University guidelines allowed for that, considering the age we live in.

https://www.landof10.com/iowa/iowa-...-davis-brian-ferentz-david-raih-stats-results

^^^ This article just comes right out and says it: "You fans who thought getting rid of Greg Davis was gonna change things, PSYCH."

 

[Adam]

From the link:
"Kirk Ferentz announced Monday that he is handing the reins of his offense to his oldest son, filling the crucial coordinator vacancy just five days after Greg Davis told him of his plans to retire. Kirk Ferentz, 61, said he never hesitated to give such an important and publicly scrutinized job to his son."

http://www.hawkcentral.com/story/sp...brian-ferentz-offensive-coordinator/96357018/

The underlined part makes it clear there wasn't a job search. I always wondered if University guidelines allowed for that, considering the age we live in.

https://www.landof10.com/iowa/iowa-...-davis-brian-ferentz-david-raih-stats-results

^^^ This article just comes right out and says it: "You fans who thought getting rid of Greg Davis was gonna change things, PSYCH."

Lol Brian's offense is distinctly different than Davis's. So the offense did in fact change quite a bit. Production is not a reliable metric for determining change. It is however a metric for positive change. Any regard 1 season is not a large enough sample size. 3 years is more adaqute for true analysis. I think the chances are still pretty fair that Brian could have a top 20 statistical offense in those 3 years. If that happens then your knee jerk reactions will all be for naught.

You can't change the fact that Brian was named and is the Iowa OC. You don't have to like it on face value, but to say it is the same is silly.

 

[Joshbrown]

Lol Brian's offense is distinctly different than Davis's. So the offense did in fact change quite a bit. Production is not a reliable metric for determining change. It is however a metric for positive change. Any regard 1 season is not a large enough sample size. 3 years is more adaqute for true analysis. I think the chances are still pretty fair that Brian could have a top 20 statistical offense in those 3 years. If that happens then your knee jerk reactions will all be for naught.

You can't change the fact that Brian was named and is the Iowa OC. You don't have to like it on face value, but to say it is the same is silly.

So 1 year isn't enough to say he is worse than GD, but it is enough to say he is better.
HN logic in action.

 

[theboat]

KOK------>head coach experience before KF hired him
GD--------->title-winning OC for a blueblood before KF hired him
BF--------->father is the head coach

for Gester vvvv

BF was a position coach in the NFL and then an OL coach in college. Yes he is at Iowa because of his name, but he actually has a pretty standard resume.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Of the 100 resumes Barta received his was the best? The odds seem to be against that.

Define 'best' to me. How many of those 100 would have wanted to run offenses KF wouldn't have wanted any part of? How many of those 100 were from coaches with no more or less experience? You can exclude a huge chunk of those right off the bat as being no chances.
The word 'best' to me isn't just about experience or success in it it's also about fit. I think if BF didn't have Ferentz as a last name more Iowa folks would be on board with his hiring. BF literally grew up in a house where his Dad has been a HC. So for those that say he's got little experience I say he's been around it his whole life more than those that just started while in college. Being the right fit matters just as much or more then the rest. I think GD proves that to an extent and also coach Kazinski before they dumped him he wasn't a good fit.

 

[Joshbrown]

BF was a position coach in the NFL and then an OL coach in college. Yes he is at Iowa because of his name, but he actually has a pretty standard resume.

I find it telling that you ignored hawkeye87s reply.

 

[Joshbrown]

Define 'best' to me. How many of those 100 would have wanted to run offenses KF wouldn't have wanted any part of? How many of those 100 were from coaches with no more or less experience? You can exclude a huge chunk of those right off the bat as being no chances.
The word 'best' to me isn't just about experience or success in it it's also about fit. I think if BF didn't have Ferentz as a last name more Iowa folks would be on board with his hiring. BF literally grew up in a house where his Dad has been a HC. So for those that say he's got little experience I say he's been around it his whole life more than those that just started while in college. Being the right fit matters just as much or more then the rest. I think GD proves that to an extent and also coach Kazinski before they dumped him he wasn't a good fit.

The "right fit" explanation?
I'm willing to admit that it made no difference who he hired. Iowa is going to have a relatively low scoring offense with KF. "Fit" seems like code for "predictable".
Wasn't there a quote from Brian (maybe it was KF) before the bowl game, "We won't be throwing anything new at them."
lol - yep, sounds like the right fit

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Wow. That's your idea of qualified? For Offensive Coordinator?? Couple years as Belichick's TE's coach. Grew up in IC ???????? Wants to win and succeed ??????????

Clearly you, sir, should be the A.D. at the University of Iowa.

Pretty sure he had another gig besides working for Belichick too I just can't remember off the top of my head. How much experience in coaching does OUs coach have? How much does the coach of the Rams have? I'm not saying BF will be the next best OC ever but I am saying he's not unqualified compared to a lot of other coaches with jobs even higher than his. If you can't comprehend that then that's on you.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

The "right fit" explanation?
I'm willing to admit that it made no difference who he hired. Iowa is going to have a relatively low scoring offense with KF. "Fit" seems like code for "predictable".
Wasn't there a quote from Brian (maybe it was KF) before the bowl game, "We won't be throwing anything new at them."
lol - yep, sounds like the right fit

You can agree or disagree with it. But that's the gist of it. I'm sure part of that quote your referencing was in regards to the elements. That field and weather limited them from doing much.

 

[ShockHawk22]

I thought this thread was about Oliver Martin?

 

[Joshbrown]

Can we all take a deep breath and think about this logically. Does anyone really think OM was this teams savior? I watched this kids tape and he is a slot receiver. At best a little better than NE. We needed/need speed on the outside and that’s what the coaching staff focused on. I think ISM and B. Smith were upgrades last year and locket locket and T.tracey are too.

Not trying to bash the guy, I wish him well. But I was far from blown away

I don't think he is a savior either.
Of course we don't need one, we already have one.
AND, we have a savior in waiting.
Barta needs a raise and extension.

 

[hawkeyes87]

Pretty sure he had another gig besides working for Belichick too I just can't remember off the top of my head. How much experience in coaching does OUs coach have? How much does the coach of the Rams have? I'm not saying BF will be the next best OC ever but I am saying he's not unqualified compared to a lot of other coaches with jobs even higher than his. If you can't comprehend that then that's on you.

No, BF's coaching experience is just a couple years at NE and what he's done here. And, the difference between those other guys you mentioned and BF is, they had experience with SUCCESSFUL units. BF's experience, mostly, has been with an average-at-best Iowa offense.

 

[theboat]

I find it telling that you ignored hawkeye87s reply.

MN OC experience: OC at a West. Mich.
WI OC: Was a TE coach before taking role as OC at Pitt.
NW OC: OC at Bowling Green
IL: Doesn't have an OC
NE: Old OC came with Riley from OSU.
MI: Position coach in the NFL
OSU: Kevin Wilson
PSU: Position coach, just promoted to OC
Indiana: Was a position coach
Maryland: OC at Arkansas State for 2 years. Only experience.
Rutgers: too many OCs to say
MSU: OC had good OC experience before.
Purdue: OC was promoted withing from TE.


So basically BF has similar experience to over half of the OCs in the BigTen. I don't know if he will be good. It sucks that he is learning the playcalling on the fly, but there have been times this year where he was awesome, and other times when he wasn't. That will build hopefully.

The reality is that the worst offense I have seen in quite some time was run by a guy who probably had the best resume of any other OC in the league prior to being hired. We couldn't wait for him to retire.

 

[MursenarySkum]

I thought this thread was about Oliver Martin?

Classic bait and switch right? I got sucked right in.

 

[Hawkfnntn]

No, BF's coaching experience is just a couple years at NE and what he's done here. And, the difference between those other guys you mentioned and BF is, they had experience with SUCCESSFUL units. BF's experience, mostly, has been with an average-at-best Iowa offense.

New Englands TEs weren't successful? My fantasy team of a few years ago disagrees with that. BF has coached up some good Iowa Olineman too you can't say he doesn't know that position. Who do you think is helping groom Wirfs, Jackson to play as well as they did as freshman? Look if you are looking for a high flying Oklahoma offense your barking up the wrong tree.
All of this back and forth doesn't matter he's the OC and unless/until KF retires that isn't changing.