Ohio St gained unfair advantage by cheating - Will the Big Ten further punish them?

[troy]

Will the Big Ten further punish Ohio State? Last season, Ohio State's cheating created an unfair advantage for the Buckeyes over fellow conference teams and likely altered the Big Ten's final standings. The teams that suffered negative consequences were fellow Big Ten Conference teams:
*Michigan State probably would have gone to the Rose Bowl had Ohio State's players been suspended last season, instead of this season. It is likely that Ohio State would have lost more that one game last year and missed out on a share of the Big Ten title. Also, Michigan State had the tiebreaker advantage over Wisconsin, by virtue of beating them head-to-head. By cheating, Ohio State may have caused Michigan State to miss out on the Rose Bowl, and MSU fell all the way to the Cap One Bowl, which is not prestigious!
*Ohio State got the benefit of participating in the Sugar Bowl. OSU cheats all year, and still reaps the rewards of a BCS Bowl trip. What a joke!
*Ohio State defeated Michigan, Indiana, and Minnesota; all teams that fired their coaches. Ohio State won these games with several players that should have been ineligible. If Rich Rod beats Ohio State last year, then he might still be coaching at Michigan.
*Iowa would have probably defeated Ohio State if the ineligible players were not playing. Remember Pryor on the last drive? If Iowa beats Ohio State, then the Hawks might have defeated Minnesota and gone to a better bowl game.

 

[DeputyHawk]

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Doubt it.

 

[hawkfaninTX]

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yeah, but Ohio State is one of the darling childs of the big ten. they will take the "lift rug & sweep under, then move on" approach

 

[Mac50702]

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Would someone please explain to me this "unfair advantage" of selling your own damn property? The way you people descrbe it is, without pryor and the others selling their crap, then they dont win the big ten?

 

[troy]

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Would someone please explain to me this "unfair advantage" of selling your own damn property? The way you people descrbe it is, without pryor and the others selling their crap, then they dont win the big ten?

Tressel allowed players to compete when he knew they violated the NCAA rules that were in place. Tressel concealed this information in order to have a better chance to win games. Tressel also knew that he should have turned in the players names when he found out about the situation, but he didn't do it.

I see your point about selling your own property, but the rules are the rules, and Tressel and the players were all well aware of those rules.

If Ohio State loses one more game last year, Michigan State would have played in the Rose Bowl, and Wisconsin probably would have gone to the Sugar Bowl, leaving Ohio State out of the BCS Bowl picture. Wisconsin beat Ohio State last year, Michigan State beat Wisconsin, and Ohio State and Wisconsin did not play against each other last year.

 

[Mac50702]

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Tressel allowed players to compete when he knew they violated the NCAA rules that were in place. Tressel concealed this information in order to have a better chance to win games. Tressel also knew that he should have turned in the players names when he found out about the situation, but he didn't do it.

I see your point about selling your own property, but the rules are the rules, and Tressel and the players were all well aware of those rules.

If Ohio State loses one more game last year, Michigan State would have played in the Rose Bowl, and Wisconsin probably would have gone to the Sugar Bowl, leaving Ohio State out of the BCS Bowl picture. Wisconsin beat Ohio State last year, Michigan State beat Wisconsin, and Ohio State and Wisconsin did not play against each other last year.

Nobody gives a crap about Michigan state.

 

[tmurph2643]

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troy. you are living in an "I hate osu world". they gained zero advantage and I don't think they should be punished any further. if tressel reported it, they wouldn't have been suspended for minor violations playing the I didn't know card. not like they paid players like the sec

 

[kjw235]

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troy. you are living in an "I hate osu world". they gained zero advantage and I don't think they should be punished any further. if tressel reported it, they wouldn't have been suspended for minor violations playing the I didn't know card. not like they paid players like the sec

The purpose of the rule is to disallow an indirect way to pay players. By allowing players to sell any of the property they obtain (jerseys, memorabilia, autographs, etc.) through legitimate means, you would be exploiting a massive loophole in the rules. The rule that the players in question violated is well-known and is in place for a very important purpose. At a glance, it might not seem like such a big deal, but with regards to enforcing recruiting guidelines, this is an alarming violation and even more so when a head coach chooses to withhold such information. Regardless of what the punishment should or would have been, it is unfair that they saw no repercussions at the time the infraction took place. Maybe they did not gain an advantage due to the infraction, but they certainly saw no negative effects.

 

[troy]

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Nobody gives a crap about Michigan state.

It is not so much about Michigan State. It's about having a fair set of rules for all of the conference teams to play by, and it's about the fact that Ohio State's cheating cost other Big Ten teams a lot of opportunities.

If Ohio State doesn't receive further punishment, then there is no integrity to the conference. If Ohio State is allowed to cheat, other teams might as well start cheating.

 

[troy]

Re: Ohio St gained unfair advantage by cheating - Will the Big Ten further punish the

troy. you are living in an "I hate osu world". they gained zero advantage and I don't think they should be punished any further. if tressel reported it, they wouldn't have been suspended for minor violations playing the I didn't know card. not like they paid players like the sec

I don't hate Ohio State. They broke the rules. Tressel knew that he would be at a disadvantage without his star players, that's why he concealed the truth. He had a motive to cheat. He knew that he had a potentially great team, but not without Terrelle Pryor or Boom Herren.

Do you seriously think Ohio State loses only one game with Pryor out of the lineup for 5 games last year? If those players were suspended last year, it's highly likely the Ohio State doesn't tie for the Big Ten title.

 

[Mac50702]

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It is not so much about Michigan State. It's about having a fair set of rules for all of the conference teams to play by, and it's about the fact that Ohio State's cheating cost other Big Ten teams a lot of opportunities.

If Ohio State doesn't receive further punishment, then there is no integrity to the conference. If Ohio State is allowed to cheat, other teams might as well start cheating.

I think people are making this a bigger deal than what it is. I dont get this "cheating" crap. The cash and tattoos didnt make these players run faster, jump higher, or hit harder so why does it matter?

I look at boosters supplying these kids with cash as a good thing. Hell it stops them from getting desperate and robbing you and me.

 

[troy]

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I think people are making this a bigger deal than what it is. I dont get this "cheating" crap. The cash and tattoos didnt make these players run faster, jump higher, or hit harder so why does it matter?

I look at boosters supplying these kids with cash as a good thing. Hell it stops them from getting desperate and robbing you and me.

I don't begrudge the student athletes getting tattoos. That isn't the point of the discussion. I hold the people in power responsible, not the players. The point is that a Big Ten coach deliberately and intentionally broke rules in order to keep his players eligible to play. He did that because he knew that Ohio State could not win the league without those guys in the lineup. Ohio State was rewarded for cheating.

 

[Mac50702]

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I don't begrudge the student athletes getting tattoos. That isn't the point of the discussion. I hold the people in power responsible, not the players. The point is that a Big Ten coach deliberately and intentionally broke rules in order to keep his players eligible to play. He did that because he knew that Ohio State could not win the league without those guys in the lineup. Ohio State was rewarded for cheating.

OSU has been winning big ten titles before pryor and they will continue after he was gone. Hell even if he was suspended when they found out before the season even began they would still only be out for probably 5 or six games and still would have the same big ten record and still be big ten champs. Just let it go it wouldnt have mattered anyway.

 

[edr247]

Re: Ohio St gained unfair advantage by cheating - Will the Big Ten further punish the

Will the Big Ten further punish Ohio State? Last season, Ohio State's cheating created an unfair advantage for the Buckeyes over fellow conference teams and likely altered the Big Ten's final standings. The teams that suffered negative consequences were fellow Big Ten Conference teams:
*Michigan State probably would have gone to the Rose Bowl had Ohio State's players been suspended last season, instead of this season. It is likely that Ohio State would have lost more that one game last year and missed out on a share of the Big Ten title. Also, Michigan State had the tiebreaker advantage over Wisconsin, by virtue of beating them head-to-head. By cheating, Ohio State may have caused Michigan State to miss out on the Rose Bowl, and MSU fell all the way to the Cap One Bowl, which is not prestigious!
*Ohio State got the benefit of participating in the Sugar Bowl. OSU cheats all year, and still reaps the rewards of a BCS Bowl trip. What a joke!
*Ohio State defeated Michigan, Indiana, and Minnesota; all teams that fired their coaches. Ohio State won these games with several players that should have been ineligible. If Rich Rod beats Ohio State last year, then he might still be coaching at Michigan.
*Iowa would have probably defeated Ohio State if the ineligible players were not playing. Remember Pryor on the last drive? If Iowa beats Ohio State, then the Hawks might have defeated Minnesota and gone to a better bowl game.

LOL! We lost to Minnesota, and nearly lost to Indiana! We would have found a way to **** our pants on the last drive of the tOSU game even if Pryor et al weren't playing...

 

[latrans]

Re: Ohio St gained unfair advantage by cheating - Will the Big Ten further punish the

I don't begrudge the student athletes getting tattoos. That isn't the point of the discussion. I hold the people in power responsible, not the players. The point is that a Big Ten coach deliberately and intentionally broke rules in order to keep his players eligible to play. He did that because he knew that Ohio State could not win the league without those guys in the lineup. Ohio State was rewarded for cheating.

Everything you say is true but I doubt that the powers that be in the Big10 conference really give a crap that tOSU cheated to win, they want either UM or tOSU to win nearly every year, that was the whole point of going to the tortuous lengths they went to to ensure that those to schools were in opposite conferences. The only organization that might do something about this is the NCAA, the big 10 will do nothing.

 

[fufred]

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They would have been suspended for the first four games (like AJ Green). Basically they would have been back for the B10 schedule. As for the B10 punishing OSU, please....who do you think was lobbying the hardest for those players to play in the bowl game? Jim Delaney knows OSU is the B10's flagship program right now, he's no dummy.

 

[tm3308]

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They would have been suspended for the first four games (like AJ Green). Basically they would have been back for the B10 schedule. As for the B10 punishing OSU, please....who do you think was lobbying the hardest for those players to play in the bowl game? Jim Delaney knows OSU is the B10's flagship program right now, he's no dummy.

No dummy, just a blatant hypocrite. OSU has earned some pretty stiff punishment, but Delany isn't about to dish it out.

Don't confuse a hypocrite's inevitable decision to let OSU skate by with OSU not deserving strong punishment.

 

[DexterMorgan]

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I don't really think it's the Big Ten's place to punish them personally. It's up to the NCAA, it's their stupid rules.

And yes OSU had an advantage last year because they failed to self police. They should have to forfeit all the wins from last year. Not that it really matters.

 

[latrans]

Re: Ohio St gained unfair advantage by cheating - Will the Big Ten further punish the

They would have been suspended for the first four games (like AJ Green). Basically they would have been back for the B10 schedule. As for the B10 punishing OSU, please....who do you think was lobbying the hardest for those players to play in the bowl game? Jim Delaney knows OSU is the B10's flagship program right now, he's no dummy.

^ This is why I cannot stand tosu fans.

You cheat to win, get protection from corrupt conference officials, and think to yourselves am I happy with this situation? To which you answer - Yes, yes I am.

 

[74Hunter]

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OSU has been winning big ten titles before pryor and they will continue after he was gone. Hell even if he was suspended when they found out before the season even began they would still only be out for probably 5 or six games and still would have the same big ten record and still be big ten champs. Just let it go it wouldnt have mattered anyway.

And from the amount of NCAA violations tOSU has had since Tressel was hired, it certainly seems from the outside that he is willing to push/cross the line, because he had not been penalized for it. Consequently, tOSU has been the best team in the league since he was hired. They've been cheating the entire time, so it's no coincidence.

Edit: The Vest was cheating back in 1-AA, too, so it's not as if his track record is clean.

For all of the stupid rules and bylaws the NCAA has, this one is actually legit. tOSU's players broke the rule and Tressel covered it up. The NCAA looked the other way which was a sham. All of the players should be declared inelligible, Tressel suspended for at least one season, and the NCAA should further investigate.

Obviously all of the rules that tOSU has broken have gave them an advantage, or they would not continuously do it. Anyone who thinks otherwise is clueless.