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deanvogs said:
Well when you don't recruit at the level of a blue blood, then you are going to have more growing pains than they are. Do you really think Iowa is gonna recruit at MSU's level? Of course their young team is gonna be better than our young team.
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Just don't buy into the blue blood thing. The main difference is admin and base that doesn't settle for mediocrity. You think East Lansing has something over Iowa City? The 2 programs in 1980 were pretty on par with Iowa having the advantage most of the rest of the 80s. What happened? Intervenous blue blood? Vulcan? Mich was a blue blood. What is this blue blood in the Big? Maybe Indiana? Poor ole Iowa. Miserable average state. Nothing special. Indiana is such a better state. Ever been around Michigan? Maybe the Goofs might have an advantage due to a major metro area, and little D1 Competitiion? Who is this blue blood?
 
Iowa was experienced last year...and regularly gagged opportunities...

I like the fresh faces and attitude...smoked on the road is a sign of inexperience...and/or a lack of talent...hopefully it isn't both...
 
HawkGold said:
Just don't buy into the blue blood thing. The main difference is admin and base that doesn't settle for mediocrity. You think East Lansing has something over Iowa City? The 2 programs in 1980 were pretty on par with Iowa having the advantage most of the rest of the 80s. What happened? Intervenous blue blood? Vulcan? Mich was a blue blood. What is this blue blood in the Big? Maybe Indiana? Poor ole Iowa. Miserable average state. Nothing special. Indiana is such a better state. Ever been around Michigan? Maybe the Goofs might have an advantage due to a major metro area, and little D1 Competitiion? Who is this blue blood?
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Common Gold, is this serious? You gonna pretend this is 1980, and act like the 90's and 00's and nearly all of the 10's didn't happen?

If you wanna talk about why Iowa isn't MSU then fine. The fact is we are not, and to pretend that Iowa in '17 should be able to recruit like MSU in '17 is just a non starter really.
 
HawkGold said:
Just don't buy into the blue blood thing. The main difference is admin and base that doesn't settle for mediocrity. You think East Lansing has something over Iowa City? The 2 programs in 1980 were pretty on par with Iowa having the advantage most of the rest of the 80s. What happened? Intervenous blue blood? Vulcan? Mich was a blue blood. What is this blue blood in the Big? Maybe Indiana? Poor ole Iowa. Miserable average state. Nothing special. Indiana is such a better state. Ever been around Michigan? Maybe the Goofs might have an advantage due to a major metro area, and little D1 Competitiion? Who is this blue blood?
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Izzo is probably one of the top 5 most recognizable coaches in college BB. MSU is a blue blood basketball program. If you can't see that, than I can't help you.
 
deanvogs said:
Common Gold, is this serious? You gonna pretend this is 1980, and act like the 90's and 00's and nearly all of the 10's didn't happen?

If you wanna talk about why Iowa isn't MSU then fine. The fact is we are not, and to pretend that Iowa in '17 should be able to recruit like MSU in '17 is just a non starter really.
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But, Izzo is the one who took it from a good program to stellar. One coach. It is not a long term dynasty. That is the point.
 
HawkGold said:
But, Izzo is the one who took it from a good program to stellar. One coach. It is not a long term dynasty. That is the point.
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That is what Hall of Fame, all time great coaches do for a program. They don't grow on trees, and Iowa lost theirs long, long ago. To contend that Iowa should recruit as well as MSU with Izzo at the helm is silly.
 
I would like to point out that Michigan State being where they are has nothing to do with not settling for mediocrity. It's because they happened to have an assistant coach that turned out to be a hall of famer. If Fran had a guy like that on his staff and he took over after Fran retired, we would become a blue blood and it would have nothing to do with not settling for mediocrity.
 
PCHawk said:
I would like to point out that Michigan State being where they are has nothing to do with not settling for mediocrity. It's because they happened to have an assistant coach that turned out to be a hall of famer. If Fran had a guy like that on his staff and he took over after Fran retired, we would become a blue blood and it would have nothing to do with not settling for mediocrity.
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Yep, same with Bo Ryan at Wisconsin. In college BB it is all about the coaches, you can certainly rise up and stay up much, much easier than can be done in football. We had that guy in Lute, and if he stayed at Iowa for 20 years, we would be a blue blood for sure.......Alas the guy didn't like the fishbowl or the weather in the fishbowl.
 
deanvogs said:
Yep, same with Bo Ryan at Wisconsin. In college BB it is all about the coaches, you can certainly rise up and stay up much, much easier than can be done in football. We had that guy in Lute, and if he stayed at Iowa for 20 years, we would be a blue blood for sure.......Alas the guy didn't like the fishbowl or the weather in the fishbowl.
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IC is a much nicer place than E Lansing, weather or otherwise. For that matter, the dreaded Ames is as well.. Agree on Lute. Lute seemed to feel more comfortable building than maintaining at that point. He did bring Iowa back but didn't make Iowa out of nothing like he did at AZ.
 
HawkGold said:
Just don't buy into the blue blood thing. The main difference is admin and base that doesn't settle for mediocrity. You think East Lansing has something over Iowa City? The 2 programs in 1980 were pretty on par with Iowa having the advantage most of the rest of the 80s. What happened? Intervenous blue blood? Vulcan? Mich was a blue blood. What is this blue blood in the Big? Maybe Indiana? Poor ole Iowa. Miserable average state. Nothing special. Indiana is such a better state. Ever been around Michigan? Maybe the Goofs might have an advantage due to a major metro area, and little D1 Competitiion? Who is this blue blood?
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Contrarian.

If you don't know why MSU can recruit better than Iowa has for the past 10-15 years, can't help ya. The gap is closing though...
 
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