Nice try Rob....

RobHowe said:
Please leave the politics out of it, Big D. It does nothing but cause problems and I'm guessing you know it's a rule around here.

And I'm not suggesting or predicting anything. I am writing that these last three games are important in terms of attendance and recruiting moving forward into next year. Not everyone has given up or wants KF gone. To those that do, that's there prerogative, as I wrote. But there are others waiting to see how this season plays out before deciding what to do with their money next year. There are recruits looking at how Iowa finishes. That's the point of the column and what I write about.

I get that people are pissed and done. But not everybody is in that camp. If they were, nobody would be at Kinnick Saturday.
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Rob, that comment had nothing to do with politics nothing. Yes he is a politician but the point I made had nothin to do with politics. I could care less what happens tomorrow and that is a first for me. I won't get into why I feel that way.

It was just my way of questioning the thought process of some of the fan base. Look at it this way, if you were putting out really crappy sports articles and no one was ready them and then the people you work for came out and doubled you salary, people would think they have lost heir minds.

I live in the real world and I have a very demanding job and there are serious implications if I don't perform well. I would assume that most working class people understand exactly what I am saying. I made fun on another post because of what the announcers said about KF during the Penn State. In essence they basically stated that he was a very good coach because he gets more out of less.

That's NUTS because the reason he has less is because he is not getting it done with recruiting. Kirk is 100% responsible for the talent on the field. Kirk is 100% responsible for the quality of coaches he has on the field. Kirk is 100% responsible for the successes and failures of this program. No one else is but him.

In the world I live in the most successful people are rewarded monetarily accordingly. If you are average or below average don't expect much more than to be rewarded financially an average pay. That's life! That's reality! They pay Kirk at a level that would demand top five recruiting in the very least in the conference and some could argue in the nation, after all his salary is that good and has been for over ten years straight.

Yet some people can't seem to be able to connect the dots here. "Well he has average players and sometimes he finishes toward the top of his division and that's not bad." Duh!!!!!!!!!!!!! It ain't like someone told him to take these players we have and do the best you can. HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PLAYERS because HE IS RECRUITING THEM. It's like some mystical disconnect from reality.

Rob many are upset because they expect KF to be held accountable because of the points I just made. During his press conference has a reporter ever flat out made this case to KF? Question his level of recruiting, results on the field, in comparison to his pay? Ask him if he feels good about that? I think it's only fair for him to be held accountable.

That was why I made the Monsanto comment because I wanted people to WAKE UP and use their brains a little. It wasn't meant to be political and I am sorry if you or anyone took it that way.

Can you be honest on here Rob and tell us if their are consequences for any reporter that gets to rough with KF in the type of questions that are being asked of him during the press conferences? I understand if that is the case. People have bills to pay and everyone needs to eat. I know it's easy for us to sit back and be critical when our a$$es arent on the line.
 
deanvogs said:
Iowa might have been 30 seconds away, and MSU actually made it, yet each of them were light years away from winning 2 games vs. other playoffs teams to win the NC.

I get what you are saying, that it "could" happen, that is why I put the odds at 1%, it just is such a long shot really.
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I think you are still missing the point Dean. I don't know anyone who thinks Iowa will actually win the NC. The point is we should be striving to win Big 10 West Titles, which would also in theory give us "national championship" aspirations. We did as much last year but haven't shown any sort of constituency in or program since the early 2000s.

I live up in Madison and they have done a pretty good job of this over the last 10 years. Heck they are still in the NC discussion this year (I wouldn't count them out of any game with that defense). They also had a legit NC team when BB coached Russell Wilson (there two losses that year were on Hail Mary's). I've still yet to hear any argument as to why we can not maintain consistency like UW does.

Then I keep hearing the "at least we aren't MSU argument", which is so dumb IMO. This season for MSU is an anomoly. This season for Iowa has happened several times in the last 10 years. We've won 7 or less games 6 times since 2005. MSU and UW have won 10 or more games a combined 12 times since 2005 (MSU 5 / UW 7).

I firmly believe we can compete for Big Ten West championships year in and year out, with the right pieces in our program.
 
I guess, after reading a lot of what the posters are saying, that too many didn't watch any of the Commings or Lauterbur coached games. That's when I started following Hawkeye football. My brother was in the Hawkeye Marching band at the end of those years and he said they'd play the Iowa Fight Song for first downs because if they played only for scores, they might not play it once.
 
Knight78 said:
I guess, after reading a lot of what the posters are saying, that too many didn't watch any of the Commings or Lauterbur coached games. That's when I started following Hawkeye football. My brother was in the Hawkeye Marching band at the end of those years and he said they'd play the Iowa Fight Song for first downs because if they played only for scores, they might not play it once.
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Again this is another poor argument. UW football largest win total from 1970-1992 was 7. Times change people.

I guarantee you we were not paying our HC a top 10 salary in the country at that time. The U of Iowa has invested a significant amount of money into this football program because that's what we the fans want, we are very passionate about this program. We should demand better results.
 
BigD said:
Rob, that comment had nothing to do with politics nothing. Yes he is a politician but the point I made had nothin to do with politics. I could care less what happens tomorrow and that is a first for me. I won't get into why I feel that way.

It was just my way of questioning the thought process of some of the fan base. Look at it this way, if you were putting out really crappy sports articles and no one was ready them and then the people you work for came out and doubled you salary, people would think they have lost heir minds.

I live in the real world and I have a very demanding job and there are serious implications if I don't perform well. I would assume that most working class people understand exactly what I am saying. I made fun on another post because of what the announcers said about KF during the Penn State. In essence they basically stated that he was a very good coach because he gets more out of less.

That's NUTS because the reason he has less is because he is not getting it done with recruiting. Kirk is 100% responsible for the talent on the field. Kirk is 100% responsible for the quality of coaches he has on the field. Kirk is 100% responsible for the successes and failures of this program. No one else is but him.

In the world I live in the most successful people are rewarded monetarily accordingly. If you are average or below average don't expect much more than to be rewarded financially an average pay. That's life! That's reality! They pay Kirk at a level that would demand top five recruiting in the very least in the conference and some could argue in the nation, after all his salary is that good and has been for over ten years straight.

Yet some people can't seem to be able to connect the dots here. "Well he has average players and sometimes he finishes toward the top of his division and that's not bad." Duh!!!!!!!!!!!!! It ain't like someone told him to take these players we have and do the best you can. HE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PLAYERS because HE IS RECRUITING THEM. It's like some mystical disconnect from reality.

Rob many are upset because they expect KF to be held accountable because of the points I just made. During his press conference has a reporter ever flat out made this case to KF? Question his level of recruiting, results on the field, in comparison to his pay? Ask him if he feels good about that? I think it's only fair for him to be held accountable.

That was why I made the Monsanto comment because I wanted people to WAKE UP and use their brains a little. It wasn't meant to be political and I am sorry if you or anyone took it that way.

Can you be honest on here Rob and tell us if their are consequences for any reporter that gets to rough with KF in the type of questions that are being asked of him during the press conferences? I understand if that is the case. People have bills to pay and everyone needs to eat. I know it's easy for us to sit back and be critical when our a$$es arent on the line.
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Tough questions have been asked throughout the years without repercussion. I don't believe the majority of us that cover Iowa are worried about having our press passes being pulled if we ask tough questions.

I appreciate your passion for the Hawks. I think most folks on here criticize because they want us to win. There are all kinds of levels of frustration.

The bottom line for Iowa football is that it's big business. Right now, with the B1G TV money and fans filling Kinnick, the program is thriving.

We'll see what happens the rest of this season and how that affects next year's attendance.
 
RobHowe said:
Tough questions have been asked throughout the years without repercussion. I don't believe the majority of us that cover Iowa are worried about having our press passes being pulled if we ask tough questions.

I appreciate your passion for the Hawks. I think most folks on here criticize because they want us to win. There are all kinds of levels of frustration.

The bottom line for Iowa football is that it's big business. Right now, with the B1G TV money and fans filling Kinnick, the program is thriving.

We'll see what happens the rest of this season and how that affects next year's attendance.
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Thanks Rob as that was a sincere answer to a sincere question. I think there are some on here that thought there was strong intimidation towards the press to walk softly around KF.
 
Kirk took some tough questions at PSU Saturday. He really didn't answer them. I'm not sure he has answers. He took tough questions at the end of '14. That's where the "that's football" comment came from.
 
NikeHawk21 said:
I think you are still missing the point Dean. I don't know anyone who thinks Iowa will actually win the NC. The point is we should be striving to win Big 10 West Titles, which would also in theory give us "national championship" aspirations. We did as much last year but haven't shown any sort of constituency in or program since the early 2000s.

I live up in Madison and they have done a pretty good job of this over the last 10 years. Heck they are still in the NC discussion this year (I wouldn't count them out of any game with that defense). They also had a legit NC team when BB coached Russell Wilson (there two losses that year were on Hail Mary's). I've still yet to hear any argument as to why we can not maintain consistency like UW does.

Then I keep hearing the "at least we aren't MSU argument", which is so dumb IMO. This season for MSU is an anomoly. This season for Iowa has happened several times in the last 10 years. We've won 7 or less games 6 times since 2005. MSU and UW have won 10 or more games a combined 12 times since 2005 (MSU 5 / UW 7).

I firmly believe we can compete for Big Ten West championships year in and year out, with the right pieces in our program.
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Yeah well I lived in Madison during the Dandy Don Morton era and even the McClain era only had the Randy Wright year basically or you are looking at a long period of futility in Madison. Hayden beat the crap out of Bucky for a lonnnnng time.
 
--------Why are you so afraid of KF and Barta? I don't just watch Iowa football, but you just don't hear announcers say some of the things they say (albeit politely) about Iowa and KF. The contract is basically obscene as well. Still you keep dishing vanilla pudding. There is a difference between just being negative and telling the truth. Have the guts to tell the truth.

Because for some reason, writers are afraid to lose their credentials. Why? What exactly would we be missing other than canned answers to softball questions....again, just send an intern in with a tape recorder....EVERY Ferments press conference is the same stale crap...snort!!!
 
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No one is "expecting" National Championships, although some of us have the audacity to expect that we have that as a goal. We have that expectation primarily because of the investment the university made has in the football program. We have national championship facilities and pay our coaches like the "big boy" programs who compete for National Championships. I am glad you are happy and enjoy watching really shitty, boring football while a few lucky guys roaming the sidelines are getting rich and putting in a "half ass" effort doing it.

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POST OF THE DAY!!!!!
 
Knight78 said:
I guess, after reading a lot of what the posters are saying, that too many didn't watch any of the Commings or Lauterbur coached games. That's when I started following Hawkeye football. My brother was in the Hawkeye Marching band at the end of those years and he said they'd play the Iowa Fight Song for first downs because if they played only for scores, they might not play it once.
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Jesus, this stupid ass argument again.. How fuckin long ago was this? Who gives a shit? It's 2016, join us. I don't care how bad they were then, neither does anyone else.. What does that have to do with now?
 
RobHowe said:
Tough questions have been asked throughout the years without repercussion. I don't believe the majority of us that cover Iowa are worried about having our press passes being pulled if we ask tough questions.

I appreciate your passion for the Hawks. I think most folks on here criticize because they want us to win. There are all kinds of levels of frustration.

The bottom line for Iowa football is that it's big business. Right now, with the B1G TV money and fans filling Kinnick, the program is thriving.

We'll see what happens the rest of this season and how that affects next year's attendance.
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Why don't you ask some tough questions then? If you're not afraid to have your press pass pulled, why not ask them?
 
seepig said:
Yeah well I lived in Madison during the Dandy Don Morton era and even the McClain era only had the Randy Wright year basically or you are looking at a long period of futility in Madison. Hayden beat the crap out of Bucky for a lonnnnng time.
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See my above post for why I disagree with this line of thinking.
 
NikeHawk21 said:
See my above post for why I disagree with this line of thinking.
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What line of thinking I was just posting Bucky had a serious period of ineptitude much like Iowa did perhaps shorter. There is no line of thinking it was just a historical observation. I'm as big a critic as any of the coaching staff and their real inflexibility and recruiting failure.
 
seepig said:
What line of thinking I was just posting Bucky had a serious period of ineptitude much like Iowa did perhaps shorter. There is no line of thinking it was just a historical observation. I'm as big a critic as any of the coaching staff and their real inflexibility and recruiting failure.
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Ahh, my apologies.
 
And actually NikeHawk I still think the contract extension was a total waste of time and money. We are headed for more 5 win seasons than 8 or 9 win seasons under KF from here on out.
 
Caddy said:
Why don't you ask some tough questions then? If you're not afraid to have your press pass pulled, why not ask them?
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Where is all this "press pass" being pulled stuff coming from? The only thing I can think of is when Pat Harty and Rob started their website and didn't get credentials. Rob help me if I'm wrong, but didn't Brian Ferentz personally make sure that was corrected by the AD and pretty quick?

Is this what all of this "press credentials" being pulled is coming from, or did I miss something else?
 
Before some of you get too hung up on telling the press they are not asking the tough questions, or arguing that they are not addressing Iowa's poor season, you may want to re-read Hawk Central, The Gazette, and a lot of things Rob Howe wrote, especially after the PSU game.

It is not enough to criticize...first you must learn to read. BTW, do you REALLY think that the Iowa press, including Rob, are afraid of having their credentials pulled? Geez. That is one of the dumbest things I have read here in a while. If Iowa started pulling Press Passes or credentials, they would get absolutely destroyed. There would be a national firestorm that would embarrass Iowa athletics beyond repair. For heaven's sake, think before you write some of this stuff.
 
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