New Redshirt rules

[guffus]

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/6/13/17460076/ncaa-redshirt-rule-change-2018

Division I football players are now allowed to play in up to four games in a season while keeping a redshirt and not losing a year of eligibility. The NCAA previously considered a redshirt burned if a player took the field for a single play of live action in any game.

I believe this is something that Drew Ott and James Butler could have used when they got hurt as seniors.

 

[tksirius]

Has Ott signed an agent? Maybe he can petition the NCAA again....

 

[Hawkfnntn]

Did Ott get invited to anyone's camp? I haven't heard much on him lately but I assume he's recovered and healthy by now. The guy just looked like the next Aaron Kampman to me.

 

[JoeyLabasForPresident]

Has Ott signed an agent? Maybe he can petition the NCAA again....

He was my first thought too, but I didn't think much of it.

 

[Fryowa]

Has Ott signed an agent? Maybe he can petition the NCAA again....

He was my first thought too, but I didn't think much of it.

He’d still be way outside the five year window and the NCAA doesn’t have a history of treating retrospective cases generously. I know there’s been a rare sixth year guy due to both an injury and coaching change, but I think Ott is done. Also, he didn’t latch onto any NFL team when he worked out and I don’t think coming back for a year of football is going to help him at all unless he strictly wanted to do it for fun. It’d just cost him a year’s worth of wages that he’s earn driving truck and farming (which is what I heard he was doing now).

He’s getting old in football years as crazy as that sounds, and I don’t think a pro team would invest the money when there are lots of younger guys available from college who are probably just as good and would cost them the same league-minimum salary.

 

[AreWeThereYet]

NCAA news release: https://www.ncaa.org/about/resource...otball-offer-more-participation-opportunities

"College athletes competing in Division I football can participate in up to four games in a season without using a season of competition, the Division I Council decided this week at its meeting in Indianapolis.

Division I student-athletes have five years to compete in up to four seasons of competition. The new exception allows football players to preserve a season of competition if, for example, injuries or other factors result in them competing in a small number of games."

Anyone know the specifics on this? Is it restricted to any appearance in four games, or is it eight halves? There's quite a bit of difference between four games and eight halves. Injuries and what sorts of other factors qualify for the exemption? Is this just a more clearly defined restatement of the 30% rule for injuries, or are they talking about a much more open exemption?

 

[4thngoal]

NCAA news release: https://www.ncaa.org/about/resource...otball-offer-more-participation-opportunities

"College athletes competing in Division I football can participate in up to four games in a season without using a season of competition, the Division I Council decided this week at its meeting in Indianapolis.

Division I student-athletes have five years to compete in up to four seasons of competition. The new exception allows football players to preserve a season of competition if, for example, injuries or other factors result in them competing in a small number of games."

Anyone know the specifics on this? Is it restricted to any appearance in four games, or is it eight halves? There's quite a bit of difference between four games and eight halves. Injuries and what sorts of other factors qualify for the exemption? Is this just a more clearly defined restatement of the 30% rule for injuries, or are they talking about a much more open exemption?

I assume the qualifications are still the same. I also think it's not talking about minimum time, it seems like from the first play played the shirt is burned, unless a qualifying situation arises before 4 games have been participated in. "Can participate in 4 games".
1 play is considered participating in a game.
1 play per game for 4 games or 4 entire games.

 

[pootspot]

So maybe a dumb question but I forget: is Nixon redshirting this year with 3 to play or doing academic redshirt and only have 2 to play? If redshirt is he technically eligible to also play 4 games and still maintain since he was a Juco transfer? Not sure how it applies or if an option

 

[4thngoal]

So maybe a dumb question but I forget: is Nixon redshirting this year with 3 to play or doing academic redshirt and only have 2 to play? If redshirt is he technically eligible to also play 4 games and still maintain since he was a Juco transfer? Not sure how it applies or if an option

You have 5 years to play 4. From the moment you become a student at any college.
If you play at all the redshirt is gone. Unless you qualify such as an injury and haven't played in more than 4 games (one snap or the entire game).
A red shirt, no matter what kind is to reserve a year. Such as medical redshirt, or academic redshirt. That doesn't count towards your 4 years to play.
I don't know how long Nixon was in juco, but that time comes off his 4 years of eligibility. However he was redshirted when he got to Iowa and the time he has been there does not.

 

[ArvadaHawk]

NCAA news release: https://www.ncaa.org/about/resource...otball-offer-more-participation-opportunities

"College athletes competing in Division I football can participate in up to four games in a season without using a season of competition, the Division I Council decided this week at its meeting in Indianapolis.

Division I student-athletes have five years to compete in up to four seasons of competition. The new exception allows football players to preserve a season of competition if, for example, injuries or other factors result in them competing in a small number of games."

Anyone know the specifics on this? Is it restricted to any appearance in four games, or is it eight halves? There's quite a bit of difference between four games and eight halves. Injuries and what sorts of other factors qualify for the exemption? Is this just a more clearly defined restatement of the 30% rule for injuries, or are they talking about a much more open exemption?

sounds like this new rule is to, in part, be able to eventually do away with medical redshirts and that arbitrary process.

"The new exception allows football players to preserve a season of competition if, for example, injuries or other factors result in them competing in a small number of games."

 

[Fryowa]

It won’t matter because players will bitch about getting denied for playing 5 games instead of 4 and still want to sneak in a waiver somehow, just like they do now. It’s only the amount of games that’ll change.

It’s basically just giving each player an extra month’s worth of playing time. The whole redshirt rule is stupid anyway, and it’s not used for what it’s intended for anyway. They need to just do away with it and say you have four years to play football, one game counts as a season, and you can use your four years whenever the hell you want as long as you’ve never played pro ball. Give me one good reason why it’s disadvantageous to other teams if Joe Blow takes 8 years to play 4 as long as he’s enrolled, passing classes, and hasn’t played professional ball.

Do we really care if a guy sits out 2 or 3 years because of ACLs or whatever and comes back?

 

[99topdawg]

My first thought is that now there will be a lot of guys that will tie Chuck Long's record for playing in 5 bowl games. At least he was the first.

 

[4thngoal]

My first thought is that now there will be a lot of guys that will tie Chuck Long's record for playing in 5 bowl games. At least he was the first.

See I don't understand what many don't understand.
I was reading other teams boards and they are like "cool, so if we play this qb and change our minds, he can still redshirt".
Umm NO. I haven't seen anything that says the qualifications to get a redshirt after one snap have changed. Only that they changed the wording to be less confusing about the limit (not minimum) of time or games that can be participated in before the redshirt is no longer an option.

 

[pootspot]

You have 5 years to play 4. From the moment you become a student at any college.
If you play at all the redshirt is gone. Unless you qualify such as an injury and haven't played in more than 4 games (one snap or the entire game).
A red shirt, no matter what kind is to reserve a year. Such as medical redshirt, or academic redshirt. That doesn't count towards your 4 years to play.
I don't know how long Nixon was in juco, but that time comes off his 4 years of eligibility. However he was redshirted when he got to Iowa and the time he has been there does not.

You have 5 years to play 4. From the moment you become a student at any college.
If you play at all the redshirt is gone. Unless you qualify such as an injury and haven't played in more than 4 games (one snap or the entire game).
A red shirt, no matter what kind is to reserve a year. Such as medical redshirt, or academic redshirt. That doesn't count towards your 4 years to play.
I don't know how long Nixon was in juco, but that time comes off his 4 years of eligibility. However he was redshirted when he got to Iowa and the time he has been there does not.

yes, but he’s sitting this year regardless and losing a year correct? So why not use him 4 games? Give him some run. Is this out of the realm? He’s practicing and doing all football activities just getting academically acclimated correct? Anyone with thoughts on this?

 

[ArvadaHawk]

yes, but he’s sitting this year regardless and losing a year correct? So why not use him 4 games? Give him some run. Is this out of the realm? He’s practicing and doing all football activities just getting academically acclimated correct? Anyone with thoughts on this?

deano brought this up in another thread. this seems like a logical good idea.

 

[4thngoal]

yes, but he’s sitting this year regardless and losing a year correct? So why not use him 4 games? Give him some run. Is this out of the realm? He’s practicing and doing all football activities just getting academically acclimated correct? Anyone with thoughts on this?

If he plays one snap his redshirt is gone. Bye bye.
The only way to get it back is to qualify with an injury or another circumstance that happens before he has participated in up to 4 games.

 

[Fryowa]

See I don't understand what many don't understand.
I was reading other teams boards and they are like "cool, so if we play this qb and change our minds, he can still redshirt".
Umm NO. I haven't seen anything that says the qualifications to get a redshirt after one snap have changed. Only that they changed the wording to be less confusing about the limit (not minimum) of time or games that can be participated in before the redshirt is no longer an option.

yes, but he’s sitting this year regardless and losing a year correct? So why not use him 4 games? Give him some run. Is this out of the realm? He’s practicing and doing all football activities just getting academically acclimated correct? Anyone with thoughts on this?

I’m seeing conflicting reports on this rule.

Some media people are saying the four game exemption is boundless, that a player can play in four games and then still have the option to redshirt for any reason he or she wants.

Others are saying it’s only for medical or other hardship reasons.

I understand how one could glean the latter from the media blurb (below), but it’s muddy. I don’t think we can say that for sure until we seeing the final wording of the rule in the book.

"College athletes competing in Division I football can participate in up to four games in a season without using a season of competition, the Division I Council decided this week at its meeting in Indianapolis.

Division I student-athletes have five years to compete in up to four seasons of competition. The new exception allows football players to preserve a season of competition if, for example, injuries or other factors result in them competing in a small number of games."

 

[AreWeThereYet]

I’m seeing conflicting reports on this rule.

Some media people are saying the four game exemption is boundless, that a player can play in four games and then still have the option to redshirt for any reason he or she wants.

Others are saying it’s only for medical or other hardship reasons.

I understand how one could glean the latter from the media blurb (below), but it’s muddy. I don’t think we can say that for sure until we seeing the final wording of the rule in the book.

I just hope the wording of the rule they voted on was a hell of a lot more specific than that NCAA news release. I would laugh my ass off if it was vaguely worded, and the coaches all had wildly differing ideas about what they were agreeing to.

 

[Fryowa]

I just hope the wording of the rule they voted on was a hell of a lot more specific than that NCAA news release. I would laugh my ass off if it was vaguely worded, and the coaches all had wildly differing ideas about what they were agreeing to.

It sounded to me when they asked Saban about it like he thought it was just a free 4 games.

 

[4thngoal]

Well I received an email back from the ncaa and to answer my question, it is indeed wide open to anyone. No qualifier required.