chucktownhawk
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Im just glad they got beat. F Nebraska
Northside Hawk
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Probably enhanced it with a couple sweaty armpit pumps as well.
Northside Hawk
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You would need a squadron of green berets to keep Bert away from food.
Luftgekuehlt67
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I actually did a bit of research into Frost's magical UCF season. The closer you look, the less magical it started to look.
The narrative was winless to undefeated in the span of 3 seasons. Yes, true, but look at what George O'Leary did leading up to the disastrous 0-12 year. He was 15-1 in conference play in the previous two years. After Frost left, Josh Heupel - yeah, let me repeat that: Josh Heupel - went 12-1 overall and 8-0 in the conference. Frost had two absolutely loaded teams at UCF playing in a conference of (mostly) cream puffs. He likely significantly *underachieved* in his first season (6-7) and then, in his second season, did basically the same thing George O'Leary had done before and that Josh Heupel would do immediately after.
If you look at UCF 2015-2016-2017 in sequence, hell yeah, you're looking at the second coming of Bear Bryant. However, if you zoom out, like, at all, things start to look a bit more, let's say, "grounded".
I'm not saying that 2017 season wasn't a solid accomplishment - winning every game is tough to do, for sure. But they played no one with anything remotely resembling their talent level until the last 2 conference games and then of course pulled a shocking upset against Auburn in their bowl game. Hey, that's great - you beat 2 solid conference rivals and then pulled an upset against a national power in your bowl. That's some nice work for sure...but, dudes...that was this guy's ENTIRE resume. Program savior in waiting?!? Not saying it was out of the realm of possibility but, yeah, in hindsight, I'd hold my horses on that one.
I certainly bought into the "winless to undefeated" hype at the time. I'll admit it, as a Hawk fan, I was nervous. Knowing what I know now (that this is very possibly one of the easiest, least impressive "winless to undefeated" stories in, literally, the history of sports), I wouldn't have wasted my time worrying!
The narrative was winless to undefeated in the span of 3 seasons. Yes, true, but look at what George O'Leary did leading up to the disastrous 0-12 year. He was 15-1 in conference play in the previous two years. After Frost left, Josh Heupel - yeah, let me repeat that: Josh Heupel - went 12-1 overall and 8-0 in the conference. Frost had two absolutely loaded teams at UCF playing in a conference of (mostly) cream puffs. He likely significantly *underachieved* in his first season (6-7) and then, in his second season, did basically the same thing George O'Leary had done before and that Josh Heupel would do immediately after.
If you look at UCF 2015-2016-2017 in sequence, hell yeah, you're looking at the second coming of Bear Bryant. However, if you zoom out, like, at all, things start to look a bit more, let's say, "grounded".
I'm not saying that 2017 season wasn't a solid accomplishment - winning every game is tough to do, for sure. But they played no one with anything remotely resembling their talent level until the last 2 conference games and then of course pulled a shocking upset against Auburn in their bowl game. Hey, that's great - you beat 2 solid conference rivals and then pulled an upset against a national power in your bowl. That's some nice work for sure...but, dudes...that was this guy's ENTIRE resume. Program savior in waiting?!? Not saying it was out of the realm of possibility but, yeah, in hindsight, I'd hold my horses on that one.
I certainly bought into the "winless to undefeated" hype at the time. I'll admit it, as a Hawk fan, I was nervous. Knowing what I know now (that this is very possibly one of the easiest, least impressive "winless to undefeated" stories in, literally, the history of sports), I wouldn't have wasted my time worrying!
SmokeTownHawk
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Same with Iowa hiring Alford. After missing out on Stoops, Iowa needed a splashy hire, a guy who seemed to be perfect for the job, and a hot commodity at the time. In both cases hindsight is definitely 20/20.
Martinez is awful, but the Nebraska OLine and Nebraska WRs aren't doing them any favors. They were fooled all day long by the same pinch and twist stunts, and the WRs weren't getting open downfield, leaving Martinez on an island.
On running plays, the oline got a push going in the first quarter, but then the pinching on the center started from Illinois and the guards either didn't have their responsibilities adjusted or just whiffed half the time and Nebraska's backs were awful because of it.
Iowa needs to pay attention to that, because ISU's D does the same thing all day long.
On running plays, the oline got a push going in the first quarter, but then the pinching on the center started from Illinois and the guards either didn't have their responsibilities adjusted or just whiffed half the time and Nebraska's backs were awful because of it.
Iowa needs to pay attention to that, because ISU's D does the same thing all day long.
HawkeyeDenis
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Nebby loses to the team expected to be on the bottom of the B10 West. Nebby was unprepared, undisciplined. Same ole mistake prone Nebby we've grown to love!
Neither of these teams is a contender. It's like watching two fat kids slap fighting over the last piece of cake.
Neither of these teams is a contender. It's like watching two fat kids slap fighting over the last piece of cake.
I was driving back from KC and found the Husker radio network and I listened to basically the entire first half on the drive home. Listening to a couple of those sequences (INT overturned and 30 yards of penalties, Punt return safety, etc) from Husker broadcasters was absolutely hilarious. I was really tired and it gave me life on the drive. Thanks Neb.
Fryowa
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One thing that hasn’t been mentioned was the lack of tape on Illinois. Frost said multiple times he guessed wrong about the looks he was going to get from Bielema. Frost’s team is inept and beat themselves no doubt, but Illinois isn’t exactly a contender.
More than likely you’re going to be seeing both these teams fight it out for the bottom of the division.
More than likely you’re going to be seeing both these teams fight it out for the bottom of the division.
1980HAWKFAN
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Martinez is just good enough that Frosty can't help himself to continue to go with him. He's high reward high risk and in the Big Ten turnovers are a recipe for disaster. I think that's why we are frustrated sometimes with Captain Kirk...talent sitting on the sidelines and not in there. Why??? Practice people...if you are loose with the rock you ain't playing under Kirk.
hawkdrummer1
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With some coaches you can immediately see a change in how a team looks. Much of it is discipline, focus, getting guys on the same page and uniting them behind the leadership of the head man.
You could immediately see this when John Hayden Fry took over IOWA's program. This guy knew football, but more importantly he knew how to be a leader and build a "team".
Frosty has no such skill set. His team looks as undisciplined, sloppy and mistake-prone now as in his first year. He's in over his head...and drowning.
You could immediately see this when John Hayden Fry took over IOWA's program. This guy knew football, but more importantly he knew how to be a leader and build a "team".
Frosty has no such skill set. His team looks as undisciplined, sloppy and mistake-prone now as in his first year. He's in over his head...and drowning.
teachercoach
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Will teams with all these super seniors be the surprise/best teams this year?
You've been there 5 or 6 yrs, you know you probably aren't going pro.
You have experience, a 'this is it' team mentality....
(Kind of described ISU)
You've been there 5 or 6 yrs, you know you probably aren't going pro.
You have experience, a 'this is it' team mentality....
(Kind of described ISU)
guffus
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Hindsight is 20/20 but the Big Ten should have offered Neb, Mizzou, Ok, Tex and Tex A&M instead of Neb, MD, and Rut.
yeah but he was 20 for 22 against Iowa last year, go figure
Well I would love to see Nebby and Illinois beat Wisky and jNW to help us with some buffer on a loss to them. Nebby will lose to OSU but them not losing to Mich and MSU are very possible. This would be a great year for Nebby to beat jNW.
The games are a long ways away but Illinois and nebby are not as good as Iowa. Last year Iowa was really flat the first 2 possessions at Illinois and still put it in high gear to really pound them. And Martinez had an all career day against Iowa last year and they still lost.
