If it's fair to criticize an underappreciated former player for one thing I think it's fair to criticize a current player for the same thing as well.
Name that Iowa Freshman Point Guard
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If it's fair to criticize an underappreciated former player for one thing I think it's fair to criticize a current player for the same thing as well.
InGoodCo
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It's fair to criticize them all, but you've been selling Jordan was garbage since the day he signed, before he played a minute of basketball and you refuse to back off that stance even in the wake of him playing very well.
PC waited until Mike graduated and then criticized him by saying what he did was unimpressive when he had no chance to go out there and prove him wrong. Isn't that worse? At least Bohannon has the chance to prove me wrong. Moss already did
InGoodCo
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stop man
Stop what?
Nobody wanted to stop PC when he was doing it, at least I'm giving the young man an opportunity to prove me wrong.
come on they have to get it 40 pages
InGoodCo
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Cripes, I'll keep feeding - the only reason Mike was even brought up in this debate was that it's clear early on that Jordan is going to be a better player when it's said it done and you walk around acting like Mike was some sort of all B1G playa that was impossible to replace. He wasn't - he isn't - you schtick is tired.
Mike was honorable mention all conference last year
theboat
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So was Woodbury, you know what that means? Nothing
Reality is this team might be slightly better for the first 35 minutes if they had a senior Gesell and worse in the last 5. I'll take the trade off.
But then again you still think Albrecht is better so your opinion is pretty worthless.
I gave Mike 4 years to prove me right that he was really good. Instead he proved me wrong by sucking bad.
Hawkalum2002
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Here's the article where Sapp became the point after the VT game.
http://www.thegazette.com/2012/12/01/iowa-switches-lineup-starts-clemmons-at-pg?template=amphtml
And another that spells out all the switches throughout that previous season.
http://www.thegazette.com/2013/11/15/three-takeaways-from-iowas-109-63-win
Gesell made 14 starts at point (first seven games, and seven after Sapp went to the bench again), Sapp with 13 in a row when he started, and Marble with 11 to end the year.
HawkeyeWalker
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....and he's gonna probably have 50+ more assists than Mike had as a frosh. So while the assists may be similar, JBO is gonna have wayyyy more of both real and fake assists.
I liked Mike.
Gessell himself would tell you to stfu.
HawkeyeWalker
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Yes you do, and you enjoy it. BDSM style.
HawkeyeWalker
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What, in the blue fuckk, are you blathering about? It's just weird.
HawkeyeWalker
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HawkeyeWalker
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That's cause he was solid, as a 4 year starting senior, with a pretty good cast around him.
I liked Mike, solid Hawkeye, but he also was a 4* recruit that really didn't improve much in 4 years as a starter. I, and almost everyone else expected more than 1 senior year honorable mention, especially given the guys he played with.
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HawkeyeWalker
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My 3 year old twins whine the same way..."dad...that's not fair!"
deanvogs
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And even with all of that, Mike averaged 25 MPG to Clemmons 16 MPG. Mike played a shit ton of PG his Fr. year. If Clemmons only averaged 16 MPG you can figure that Mike spent the majority of those remaining 24 MPG at PG.
Plus what difference does it make? You can't say that well Mike "should have" gotten 50 more assists if Clemmons didn't steal some of his minutes during the season.
Mike had 89 assist in 854 Minutes played his Fr year. Jordan has 91 assists in 499 Minutes played this year. At 27 MPG that is 13 full games less than Mike played and he has more assist already.
