My #1 choice: Mark Turgeon

Cyclones17 said:
I don't know if they would or not.

Here is my question for you. Would you stay at A&M for say 1.6 mil a year when you know that you have great talent on the team and other solid talent coming in (job security). Plus you get to recruit out of Texas. Or would you leave, go to Iowa, make 2.4 mil a year and have to worry about getting in A LOT of talent in, and knowing the previous coaching staff was only given 3 years before they were fired (which then sets you back to where you were when you were at Wich St...a mid major coach again)
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Firstly, if Iowa is going to get a big time coach, I'm fairly confident (due to their history with Alford/Lick) that the first contract will be a longer term contract for job security purposes - something like 6-8 years, that way the whole job security argument isn't that big of a deal (if Iowa is going to fire you, you're going to get paid off BIG TIME).

Secondly, though Texas is a great state for basketball recruits, this isn't football. In football Texas is THE football state. In basketball, Texas is one of quite a few good states for basketball. There are a lot of great basketball players in Illinois, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and probably most notably, Ohio. All those states are in the Big Ten's footprint and are great recruiting bases. Obviously you lose the built in advantage of having a great base of in state players, but you also don't have to compete with 15 other schools for in state recruits.

I guess what I'm saying is, while in football, Texas, FLA, and California are the ONLY great recruiting states, basketball has quite a few good states for recruiting - and a lot more recruits in the northern half of the country (than compared to football). I agree that recruiting at Iowa is more difficult than recruiting at TAMU, but keep in mind TAMU has never really been a great basketball school....at least Iowa has history on its side....we've been a really strong bball program in the past, and with the right coach, I'm sure we could get there again in the future.
 
Like I said, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he said "no, thanks", but it seems to me that there is enough evidence to suggest that throwing out a $2.4M offer wouldn't hurt anything....worse thing that could happen would be that we get the guy a big raise.

At least throwing out an offer shows me that Barta is truly willing to do whatever it takes to get the right guy at Iowa, instead of just hiring an assistant coach to be on the safe side and conserve funds.
 
This is an example where conference expansion might give Iowa a real advantage. There is a possibility the B12 blows up. If that happens coaching in a B10 school might look much more appealing. It might also cause TAM to be reluctant to part with serious cash.
 
Raziel said:
Firstly, if Iowa is going to get a big time coach, I'm fairly confident (due to their history with Alford/Lick) that the first contract will be a longer term contract for job security purposes - something like 6-8 years, that way the whole job security argument isn't that big of a deal (if Iowa is going to fire you, you're going to get paid off BIG TIME).

Secondly, though Texas is a great state for basketball recruits, this isn't football. In football Texas is THE football state. In basketball, Texas is one of quite a few good states for basketball. There are a lot of great basketball players in Illinois, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and probably most notably, Ohio. All those states are in the Big Ten's footprint and are great recruiting bases. Obviously you lose the built in advantage of having a great base of in state players, but you also don't have to compete with 15 other schools for in state recruits.

I guess what I'm saying is, while in football, Texas, FLA, and California are the ONLY great recruiting states, basketball has quite a few good states for recruiting - and a lot more recruits in the northern half of the country (than compared to football). I agree that recruiting at Iowa is more difficult than recruiting at TAMU, but keep in mind TAMU has never really been a great basketball school....at least Iowa has history on its side....we've been a really strong bball program in the past, and with the right coach, I'm sure we could get there again in the future.
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I agree with you on recruiting. Basketball isn't football and there are plenty of places were good players are at. Texas just has more people to choose from down there than Iowa does and more talent. If Iowa goes to Chicago (which they have to)...they are competing with everyone. Everyone recruits Chicago an Iowa isn't the sexiest looking out of state school.

As for the history. No 17-18 yr old players remember Iowa being good. They remember A&M being in the dance though. Easier for Turgeon to recruit there
 
Cyclones17 said:
As for the history. No 17-18 yr old players remember Iowa being good. They remember A&M being in the dance though. Easier for Turgeon to recruit there
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Pffffffft. 17-18 year olds remember what cell phone they had before this one, what the next PS3 game they're buying is going to be, screen names of all of their friends' aliases on 3+ social networking sites, that they have to wake up tomorrow or get to sleep in tomorrow etc.

The program is going to be as good as you can spin it & sell it. Do you really believe a Shamwow is a superior product to chamois leather? No way. But it sure sells because you have that dingo with the headset talkin' you right into it.
 
HAWKEY3 said:
Pffffffft. 17-18 year olds remember what cell phone they had before this one, what the next PS3 game they're buying is going to be, screen names of all of their friends' aliases on 3+ social networking sites, that they have to wake up tomorrow or get to sleep in tomorrow etc.

The program is going to be as good as you can spin it & sell it. Do you really believe a Shamwow is a superior product to chamois leather? No way. But it sure sells because you have that dingo with the headset talkin' you right into it.
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Is that really your comparison?
 
Cyclones17 said:
Is that really your comparison?
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Vince is good with that..

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Raziel said:
How often do you see a school willing to double another coaches salary? I'm not saying Iowa is willing to do that for sure, but if Iowa offered him $2.4M, I think that would be a pretty rare offer. I bet you'd see a lot more coaches going from BCS school to BCS school if their payscale was about to double ;)
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I just don't see Iowa offering that kind of change. Maybe 1.2m to 1.6m but not 2.5 mil.
 
Look unlike football if you are ANY kind of recruiter you can change a program's fortunes around like that. 1 or 2 good in-state players a couple killer JUCO guys and a winning season or two will do wonders for recruiting and hence fortunes of Hawkeye BBall.
 
A&M would match money.

They wouldn't get outbid at $2.5M. It would have to be more than that. I thought they were packing that place. maybe I am wrong. And they have really good facilities down there. I wasn't aware that IC was cooler than CS, but I could be wrong. I thought both were pretty cool, but am only going from what I have heard re A&M.
 
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