Must-read piece regarding Rick Majerus' health
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It is called food addiction. You treat it like any other truly addicted behavior. Total abstinence from the things that trigger the addiction. People who treat it this way work a 12 step program involving total abstinence from sugar and flour and weigh and measure every meal, using specific measurements for each type of food - veggies, grains, proteins, fruits.
They don't look for the perfect beef stew. That is junkie talk. It is like the Meth addict saying that he just needs to take the edge off with a few beers. It is NOT a love affair it is an addiction. And addicts hang out with other addicts. Bernie sounds like one of Kurt Cobain's buddies who helped him score after he busted out of rehab that last time.
With friends like that, you don't need enemies.
They don't look for the perfect beef stew. That is junkie talk. It is like the Meth addict saying that he just needs to take the edge off with a few beers. It is NOT a love affair it is an addiction. And addicts hang out with other addicts. Bernie sounds like one of Kurt Cobain's buddies who helped him score after he busted out of rehab that last time.
With friends like that, you don't need enemies.
JugadorHawk
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Wow Caar, lighten up this morning. You obviously missed the point; I'm sure both Rick and Bernie know their demons. Get well Coach.
Here's the deal. I see people struggling with food addiction all the time. However, they don't consider it an addiction, but rather some kind of weakness. Until society gets to the point of considering it a true addiction, people are going to continue to die. The fact is that food addiction is the number one killer related to behavioral actions. And it isn't even close.
One of my areas of research is addictive behaviors. The point is that you would not have responded the same way if Bernie had been writing about how he and Majerus had found the perfect bottle of Merlot if Majerus was dying of liver failure. Or that he looked forward to scoring the perfect blue meth with Majerus after he got out of the hospital. But somehow it is okay to say that about food?
One of my areas of research is addictive behaviors. The point is that you would not have responded the same way if Bernie had been writing about how he and Majerus had found the perfect bottle of Merlot if Majerus was dying of liver failure. Or that he looked forward to scoring the perfect blue meth with Majerus after he got out of the hospital. But somehow it is okay to say that about food?
JugadorHawk
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I respect your research and agree with your findings on food addiction, but it wasn't necessary to go on a rant about Majerus when he could possibly be on his death bed.
MelroseHawkins
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I don't mind a bit what CAARHawk is saying. This society we live in has too many times people turning heads the other way instead of heeding the outcome of a situation and learning from it. We can't keep looking away from the challenge, if you know what I mean. What he said is so true, it is not a "weakness" but an "addiction", and should be treated as such.
JonDMiller
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I think Caar's posts are spot on, and no one is wishing death on Majerus. And Caar is 100% right; how Americans consume food, what the government allows in our foods that other nations do not and the number of chronic health issues associated with how Americans consume food is the biggest health problem in this nation. Not smoking, not drinking, although those things on top of the food cycle in this nation are a double and triple whammy.
This is a nation of lobbyist rule, and in many cases, that's not a good thing and the elected officials do not have the will do do the right things to protect their people.
White flour, sugars, red food dyes banned in other nations....its just unreal. Corn byproducts in everything, too much red meat, steroids and other chemicals in chickens, beef, milk, etc...and many of the things in food stuffs are intended to create addictions...to create the mental stimulus that you want more.
This is a nation of lobbyist rule, and in many cases, that's not a good thing and the elected officials do not have the will do do the right things to protect their people.
White flour, sugars, red food dyes banned in other nations....its just unreal. Corn byproducts in everything, too much red meat, steroids and other chemicals in chickens, beef, milk, etc...and many of the things in food stuffs are intended to create addictions...to create the mental stimulus that you want more.
SwirlinLingerie
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What the hell do they put in those cheddar goldfish? I can't eat anything less than a gallon of those once I start.
okeefe4prez
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hawkdoctor
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Except that he is right OK4P!
You have got that backwards. The people don't have the WILL to elect politicians that are crooked or to start a third party. It is easy to blame something or someone else. US citizens are too busy watching Dancing, American Idol, texting and spending countless hours on message boards. And we wonder why they are fat?
People deserve the type of government that they have. "We have met the enemy and he is us" to quote the esteemed philosopher Pogo.
You can all it addiction or whatever you want. I have stopped smoking and am in good shape because of a little thing called willpower.
People deserve the type of government that they have. "We have met the enemy and he is us" to quote the esteemed philosopher Pogo.
You can all it addiction or whatever you want. I have stopped smoking and am in good shape because of a little thing called willpower.
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Scorpio79
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Correct answer.
Speaking as a fat guy, I can tell you that food is not addictive whatsoever.
Bad habits and poor decisions lead to obesity. It's not about any sort of addiction.
Those of you blaming the gov't or asking for gov't regulation of food to curb overeating probably need your head examined. And you're probably "small gov't republicans", to boot.
The problem with addictive behaviors is that there is a difference between careless abuse and addiction. This is why you drank as much as the other guy in your frat and you stopped or moderated after you graduated and he died on skid row, or had to join AA.
Same goes for food. Young men can eat a boat load of food, because they burn it up. When they are through developing, they start putting on weight. Some people decide they want to keep on eating and don't mind putting on the weight. Some moderate their diet to reduce overall calories. Some eat themselves to death and find that even though they want to moderate they cannot by just trying to watch their calories.
They alcoholic and the food addict are different than just the heavy drinker or jolly fat guy. They have specific problematic brain functions related to seratonin, dopamine, and GABA. For alcoholics, they can be born with this issue, or damage their brains through excessive drinking to create the problem. But once the problem is there it is there forever. I am not sure if you can cause the same problems with sugar and carbohydrates, but they have found the same issues in food addicts.
The 12 step model has functions in the system that help stimulate seratonin and dopamine reception, such as extensive self-disclosure (think of the high you get when you first meet someone you are attracted to and you have that first great talk), group interaction, altruism, and reduction of negative feelings through positive actions. These mimic the high people get from drugs, alcohol, or foods without the negative impacts.
Actually, with respect to self-disclosure, research has found self-disclosure on FB provides a similar high.
It is a very significant problem when people who have no scientific understanding of addictive behaviors base claims on limited anecdotal evidence because they may be confusing experience of limited excessive use with actual addiction.
Joshr612
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Correct answer.
Speaking as a fat guy, I can tell you that food is not addictive whatsoever.
Bad habits and poor decisions lead to obesity. It's not about any sort of addiction.
Those of you blaming the gov't or asking for gov't regulation of food to curb overeating probably need your head examined. And you're probably "small gov't republicans", to boot.
Spoken like a true addict.
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Scorpio79
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No, spoken as a true lazy slob.
I own my bad habits, I don't play the victim card ("Whaa! I'm an addict, I can't help it!! Poor me! Whaa!").
JonDMiller
Publisher/Founder
I disagree. The dopamine releases that come from sugar intake, specific kinds of sugars, absolutely fit the addiction profile.
sportstalent
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It is funny how people rush to judgement when it comes to addiction. To think that food addiction is not real; you must not have a relative or someone close to you who is.
Until you hear someone who is that close to you trying to explain why they eat, or why they cannot stop...they are crying out to you for help. It becomes a depression for them and in the beginning it is normally a denial that there is no problem, or accept the fact that they overeat. When in reality they don't just overeat, there is an addiction that simply does not allow them to stop.
If you are a big person and you just eat and don't exercise, it is one thing. When you are an addict, there are multiple stages of diet, exercise, relapse and finally depression. The people that are addicts are the ones not happy and can't accept themselves or accept what their real problem is. Gastric bypass surgery and the band are the most logical solutions to curb this, but there can and are relapses even after those extreme measures have been taken.
There is a diffence weather people want to believe it or not. Know someone who is fighting the condition and you will learn they are fighting themselves as well.
I don't disagree that food addiction is real. That said the overwhelming number of obese people in this country don't have any sort of addiction and just make poor health choices and don't take care of themselves. I work with a lady that has lost 75 pounds, she finally was sick of being overweight and started working out and eating right. Amazing what happens when you do that.
