Must-read piece regarding Rick Majerus' health

hoffahawk said:
I don't disagree that food addiction is real. That said the overwhelming number of obese people in this country don't have any sort of addiction and just make poor health choices and don't take care of themselves. I work with a lady that has lost 75 pounds, she finally was sick of being overweight and started working out and eating right. Amazing what happens when you do that.
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I think addiction is the exception and not the rule. I had a relative who was addicted to eating and eventually had surgery to correct it, today that person is a happy individual enjoying life again and is still battling addiction everyday, I still see it when I am around this person.

Myself, I am overweight and considered obese by the magical chart, but by vital statistics I am perfectly fine...there is a fine line there when we speak of obesity and translate it to laziness and addiction.
 
This is a nation of lobbyist rule, and in many cases, that's not a good thing and the elected officials do not have the will do do the right things to protect their people.

Can this be moved to the political Forum :)
 
JonDMiller said:
Scorpio79 said:
Correct answer.Speaking as a fat guy, I can tell you that food is not addictive whatsoever.Bad habits and poor decisions lead to obesity. It's not about any sort of addiction.
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I disagree. The dopamine releases that come from sugar intake, specific kinds of sugars, absolutely fit the addiction profile.
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the problem is ive seen the very same argument used for people claiming addiction to the internet, and video games, and porn.... Too many people use addiction as a crutch in outlr society.

The other issue with that is there is literally no foods on earth that are not good for you. Even twinkies have nutritional value. Eat one twinkie a week amd you are fine. Eat one slice of pie and no problem. Sit on your couch and eat all day? Now there is a problem.

Again eat less excercise more and you arent fat.
 
DuffMan said:
the problem is ive seen the very same argument used for people claiming addiction to the internet, and video games, and porn.... Too many people use addiction as a crutch in outlr society.
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This is what I was talking about earlier. There is a difference between addiction and bad habitual behavior. The problem is that they look the same. The difference is if the person just practicing the bad habitual behavior goes cold turkey, after an uncomfortable period of detox, he or she will fairly quickly feel better.

The addict is self-medicating due to a very real physiological problem. A good way to tell an addict is that when the self-medicating substance is taken away the addict will not over the long haul do better from a cognitive-emotional standpoint. There may be a slight pink cloud phase, but the emotional bottom will eventually fall out on these individuals.

Again, this isn't about people just being able to claim addiction, this is about physiological evidence of cognitive abnormalities. Now, that being said, there are plenty of people who have gained a significant benefit from identifying as an addict/alcoholic etc, which has allowed them to change a negative habitual behavior only to realize at a later time that they were not actually an addict, but just were stuck in a cycle of unhealthy behavior.

So, yes, the problem is that people often diagnose themselves or are diagnosed as addicts, when they are just practicing a bad habit AND people often think they just need to get over a bad habit, when they are actually self-medicating due to a very real health condition.
 
Anyone who doesn't think food is addicting needs to watch the movie "Super Size Me" the guy in the documentary goes through food withdrawels similiar to drug withdrawels.
 
Even if food isn't physically addictive (which I would argue, in some cases, it probably is), it could also be mentally addictive. Also saying it's an addiction isn't some way of victimizing a person who has made poor decisions. Couldn't it be said that any drug addict probably had poor decision making all along?

You mention the lady who lost 75 lbs. Couldn't any drug addict make the conscious decision to stay sober and become clean? A diet and excersise is basically a "plan to stay sober" or "reducing use"
 
Life is an endless series of choices. Try to make the right ones.
 
JonDMiller said:
I think Caar's posts are spot on, and no one is wishing death on Majerus. And Caar is 100% right; how Americans consume food, what the government allows in our foods that other nations do not and the number of chronic health issues associated with how Americans consume food is the biggest health problem in this nation. Not smoking, not drinking, although those things on top of the food cycle in this nation are a double and triple whammy.

This is a nation of lobbyist rule, and in many cases, that's not a good thing and the elected officials do not have the will do do the right things to protect their people.

White flour, sugars, red food dyes banned in other nations....its just unreal. Corn byproducts in everything, too much red meat, steroids and other chemicals in chickens, beef, milk, etc...and many of the things in food stuffs are intended to create addictions...to create the mental stimulus that you want more.
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The gov't has absolutely NO BUSINESS telling us what we can and cannot eat. If they want to be useful, they should legislate full disclosure by these commercial processed food companies of what their products contain, and which ingredients might be harmful.

I'm entirely sickened by the thought of a society where the gov't is making the majority of my decisions for me. Unlike drugs and mood-altering side effects they cause, when it comes to food the only person I might be harming is myself. I'm capable of making my own decisions, thank you. Just give me the information so I can do so.
 
INTIMIDATORHawk said:
The gov't has absolutely NO BUSINESS telling us what we can and cannot eat. If they want to be useful, they should legislate full disclosure by these commercial processed food companies of what their products contain, and which ingredients might be harmful.

I'm entirely sickened by the thought of a society where the gov't is making the majority of my decisions for me. Unlike drugs and mood-altering side effects they cause, when it comes to food the only person I might be harming is myself. I'm capable of making my own decisions, thank you. Just give me the information so I can do so.
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Agree, and especially with the bolded passage. There was an initiative for this sort of thing in California on the ballot for the Nov elections, and despite the efforts of some consumer advocacy groups, the proposal was defeated because (stupid) voters were bombarded by ad campaigns funded by Big Lobbyists for the major US food producers.
Low-information people voting against their own best interests because they were told to by the plutocrats. Ain't that 'merrka. :mad:

California Proposition 37, Mandatory Labeling of Genetically Engineered Food (2012) - Ballotpedia
 
Scorpio79 said:
Agree, and especially with the bolded passage. There was an initiative for this sort of thing in California on the ballot for the Nov elections, and despite the efforts of some consumer advocacy groups, the proposal was defeated because (stupid) voters were bombarded by ad campaigns funded by Big Lobbyists for the major US food producers.
Low-information people voting against their own best interests because they were told to by the plutocrats. Ain't that 'merrka. :mad:

California Proposition 37, Mandatory Labeling of Genetically Engineered Food (2012) - Ballotpedia
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That Bill was a complete joke.


San Francisco Chronicle: "Prop. 37 is fraught with vague and problematic provisions that could make it costly for consumers and a legal nightmare for those who grow, process or sell food

Los Angeles Times: "Unfortunately, the initiative to require labeling of those ingredients is sloppily written. It contains language that, according to the nonpartisan Legislative Analyst's Office, could be construed by the courts to imply that processed foods could not be labeled as 'natural' even if they weren't genetically engineered. Most of the burden for ensuring that foods are properly labeled would fall not on producers but on retailers, which would have to get written statements from their suppliers verifying that there were no bioengineered ingredients — a paperwork mandate that could make it hard for mom-and-pop groceries to stay in business. Enforcement would largely occur through lawsuits brought by members of the public who suspect grocers of selling unlabeled food, a messy and potentially expensive way to bring about compliance.



Luckily there are enough of those "stupid voters" to keep others from completely destroying the country with ridiculous laws like this.
 
JonDMiller said:
how Americans consume food, what the government allows in our foods that other nations do not and the number of chronic health issues associated with how Americans consume food is the biggest health problem in this nation. Not smoking, not drinking, although those things on top of the food cycle in this nation are a double and triple whammy.

This is a nation of lobbyist rule, and in many cases, that's not a good thing and the elected officials do not have the will do do the right things to protect their people.

White flour, sugars, red food dyes banned in other nations....its just unreal. Corn byproducts in everything, too much red meat, steroids and other chemicals in chickens, beef, milk, etc...and many of the things in food stuffs are intended to create addictions...to create the mental stimulus that you want more.
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You can't be serious. This is the type of thinking that has led to the large soda ban in NYC. It is so sad and scary when people act like there is no personal responsibility in this country anymore. Coach Majerus could have afforded whatever resources you could dream of if he actually wanted to be healthy. He lived his life how he wanted to and at the end of the day it led to him passing away from heart disease. It is completely ridiculous to act like he was not the one responsible for his own actions.

There are plenty of options for healthy food in this country. No one is stopping anyone from shopping at whole foods or paying more for healthier fresh food like fruits and vegetables instead of unhealthy processed options. It is just complete insanity to pretend this isn't the way it is and that the government needs to protect us from junk food. People vote with their wallets and they vote for cheap junk food. That is completely fine and the right of living in a free society until people act like they were helpless in their decisions and needed government protection.
 
Wow. Way to bring the pain, aggro no0b.
Keep fighting The Power. Take "your" country back.
 
INTIMIDATORHawk said:
The gov't has absolutely NO BUSINESS telling us what we can and cannot eat. If they want to be useful, they should legislate full disclosure by these commercial processed food companies of what their products contain, and which ingredients might be harmful.I'm entirely sickened by the thought of a society where the gov't is making the majority of my decisions for me. Unlike drugs and mood-altering side effects they cause, when it comes to food the only person I might be harming is myself. I'm capable of making my own decisions, thank you. Just give me the information so I can do so.
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+1. Last time I checked this was America. If people want to live a life of gluttony and excess they should have the right to do so. Take responsibility for your own actions. Food hasn't gotten worse, we've just become more sedentary. Now brush the cookies crumbs off your shirt, lace up your New Balances and enjoy this beautiful weather.
 
Do the food producers have ANY responsibility for providing non-toxic products?? This is where the gov't may enter the fray, imo. Without some sort of oversight with teeth, these greedy food manufacturers would foist all sorts of poisonous sh!t on an unsuspecting public. Hell, they already do. That's why we need an FDA. This goes waaaay beyond the lack of personal responsibility in this country.
I am not advocating for Big Gov't. I am simply saying that Big Food needs regulation just like Big Banking, Big Pharma, Big Coal, Big Oil, and etc does. Anyone looking to blame the consumer and only the consumer is frighteningly ignorant.
 
Banning the BIg Gulp in NYC will prevent a certain amount of teenage diabetes, also adult diabetes. NOBODY needs to drink that much flavored sugar water......

A very heavy friend of min stopped drinking Pepsi. He drank at least two Big Gulps on the job. He owned an excavation company. He would also drink Pepsi nonstop at home. He lost a lot of weight in a short period of time by banning Pepsi.....
 
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