Most Improved Player - 2015-2016 Season

RosemaryChknHwk said:
Ok, I lied, I do know a lot about basketball. The though that Uhl was even close to as good a shooter as White as a freshman (let alone superior as the OP would have us believe) is asinine. It's absolutely moronic. It isn't debatable.
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White is a 28% shooter from three in his career. Oh, are you thinking dunks are outside shots? I'm thinking you don't know anything about basketball. Go read the post...I said Uhl has a better stroke than White does. Just my opinion, which others agree with also. I didn't say he was a better player...he will be a better shooter...which is what I said. I'm not sure where you get the superior ********. I never said that.

Uhl has to shoot 23% from three his sophomore year to be better than AW was...do shooting percentages matter still? Does the sample size matter...statistically speaking? I'll bet you $100 that Uhl is better than 23% from three next year.

You are hanging your hat on a career 28% shooter from three and defending what a great shooter he is. That's absolutely moronic. Hell, if AW didn't get hot down the stretch his senior year...he was a 25% career shooter. But you know your **** dude. Impressive stuff.
 
Quit moving the bar. Had you said "I think Uhl has the potential to be a better shooter than White" you wouldn't be in this mess. But you didn't say that. You said something statistically indefensible and honestly quite stupid ("Uhl is already a much better shooter than White was as a freshman").

Be be a man, own up to it, and move on.
 
Yeah...that's what I said exactly. I believe that. You can point to the stats and you have your argument, but it falls apart when White plays as a sophomore. He's a not a good three point shooter period. Uhl has a better three point stroke than AW did when AW was a freshman. I don't even think it's that close. That's my point. White shot 28% from three his freshman year and he regressed even further his sophomore year to shoot a whopping 22.7% from three. He was playing 20-22 minutes a game and he was being counted on to score. Uhl played 10 and wasn't counted on to score the basketball or be a huge contributor offensively because the talent level is vastly different now then when AW was a freshman. You have to get playing time and attempts and eventually your talent will catch up to the shooting percentage.

New flash chicken boy, AW was a not a good outside shooter from three early in his career. Hell, he didn't start looking good from three until late in his senior year. The guy shot 22% as a sophomore. People have their opinions, its a message board. Statistically indefensible...ok you are right, it is. I can't defend it statistically. Quite stupid...come on dude...you say you know basketball. You know skill when you see it right. I remember AW from three early in his career and I cringed...Fran cringed too after his sophomore year, and he only took 36 threes as a junior because he was terrible. He took 50% fewer or more.

So next year, when we compare Uhl's numbers to AW's...then you will say he's a better shooter? Do you think Uhl shoots better than 22%? just answer that question...then tell me how stupid my comment was.
 
Would you guys just trade phone numbers and continue this elsewhere? Thanks! (jus' messin' wt' ya, guys)
 
Ok...I'll let it go. I just love it though when guys like Chicken Boy throw out superlatives about the stupidity of someone's opinion. It's a message board...you can do that all day long. People post to try to provide some insight into their opinion and what they see. In a black and white sense, most opinions or prognostications are going to fail...no **** Chicken Boy. But let's see if I'm right and Uhl turns out to be a better outside shooter than AW...to call the OPINION stupid, is well pretty stupid. AW was a terrible three point shooter early in his career...the bar is incredibly low for Uhl. My OPINION is that he clears the bar and then statistically he will be better, right. Ok...got it.
 
RosemaryChknHwk said:
You know you've won the argument when the other side resorts to attacking your screen name.
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That's interesting Chicken Boy...i thought maybe you win an argument because you made better points and supported it with a coherent thought process. You are the one that threw out the "incredibly stupid" and that the premise was baseless. You didn't answer the question I asked. Do you think Uhl shoots better than 22.7% next year from three? If you say yes, does that mean he's a better outside shooter than AW was at that point in his career, or shows a more fluid stoke?

AW was such a good outside shooter that he took 36 threes as a junior...about half his previous years. This, mind you, was with defenders absolutely giving him that shot...playing off him 4 feet...because they wanted to take away his driving game. He shot 22.7% and 25.7% his sophomore year with no one guarding him at the 3 point line.

What a stretch to think that Uhl could be a better outside shooter than AW as a freshman or soph.
 
WinOneThisCentury said:
That's interesting Chicken Boy...i thought maybe you win an argument because you made better points and supported it with a coherent thought process. You are the one that threw out the "incredibly stupid" and that the premise was baseless. You didn't answer the question I asked. Do you think Uhl shoots better than 22.7% next year from three? If you say yes, does that mean he's a better outside shooter than AW was at that point in his career, or shows a more fluid stoke?

AW was such a good outside shooter that he took 36 threes as a junior...about half his previous years. This, mind you, was with defenders absolutely giving him that shot...playing off him 4 feet...because they wanted to take away his driving game. He shot 22.7% and 25.7% his sophomore year with no one guarding him at the 3 point line.

What a stretch to think that Uhl could be a better outside shooter than AW as a freshman or soph.
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Everyone knows White wasn't a great outside shooter for whatever reason at Iowa. He turned it on pretty good his last ten games. If he wouldn't of gotten hot I doubt he would of been 1st team all conference, but he did. It will be interesting to see what he can do after he graduates and doesn't have to focus on being a student. He was fun to watch while he was at Iowa. There were a few games where he seemed to disappear. I'm more interested in what the newcomers can do next year. They won't have the experience of White, but they look like they have high potential.
 
Tierney said:
Everyone knows White wasn't a great outside shooter for whatever reason at Iowa. He turned it on pretty good his last ten games. If he wouldn't of gotten hot I doubt he would of been 1st team all conference, but he did. It will be interesting to see what he can do after he graduates and doesn't have to focus on being a student. He was fun to watch while he was at Iowa. There were a few games where he seemed to disappear. I'm more interested in what the newcomers can do next year. They won't have the experience of White, but they look like they have high potential.
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I am super stoked to see the new blood Hawkeyes. No less than two will have some serious contributions to the team. There is a lot of spaghetti there. I'm guessing 3-4 noodles will stick. Too much talent no to. Dale Jones is at the top of my list. Any of the others adding significant minutes will be great. PTL can't start soon enough!
 
I don't know if Uhl will be the most improved returning player, but he could be. Judging from Fran's comments about his "enhanced role" this coming season, he'll have plenty of opportunities to demonstrate improvement. I do think, with his ball-handling, length, and quickness, he's got the tools to be a good transition player, something we could use with the loss of White. Uhl's stroke does look better than a 20% shooter from 3. But then, I always thought White's stroke looked better than the percentages he put up too. Will knowing his role will be "enhanced" give him more confidence? As we know, confidence is always a big factor with shooters. One thing seems likely, if he's going to make a big jump as an offensive player, we'll see it this year.
 
WinOneThisCentury said:
That's interesting Chicken Boy...i thought maybe you win an argument because you made better points and supported it with a coherent thought process. You are the one that threw out the "incredibly stupid" and that the premise was baseless. You didn't answer the question I asked. Do you think Uhl shoots better than 22.7% next year from three? If you say yes, does that mean he's a better outside shooter than AW was at that point in his career, or shows a more fluid stoke?

AW was such a good outside shooter that he took 36 threes as a junior...about half his previous years. This, mind you, was with defenders absolutely giving him that shot...playing off him 4 feet...because they wanted to take away his driving game. He shot 22.7% and 25.7% his sophomore year with no one guarding him at the 3 point line.

What a stretch to think that Uhl could be a better outside shooter than AW as a freshman or soph.
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None of this has a damn thing to do with what you said in your OP. You said Uhl was already a much better shooter than White when they were both freshman. That is a factually inaccurate statement. No amount of circular and convoluted reasoning can change that. Look you said something stupid and you got called on it, so what. Quit acting like a 12 year old, just deal with it and move on. I'm sure it wasn't the first time and it won't be the last.

Could Uhl end up a better shooter than white? Sure. Could that be part of him Improving next year? Sure. None of that changes the fact he wasn't even close to as good a shooter his freshman year.
 
And I clarified the OP to be more clear about what my opinion was...yet all you do is go back to the OP.

"Wow...just had a chance to read through this thread. Ok, what I meant to say was, "Although the shooting percentages are irrelevant due to Uhl's lack of attempts and playing time, his outside shot looks much better than White's did as a freshman." It's a subjective call on my part that I believe Dom's upside with the outside game (3 point shooting and pull up jumpers) is greater than Aaron's was at that point in his career."

You are the one who's hanging your hat on White's shooting percentages...that just explain how dismal a shooter he was. So essentially what you are saying is that you agree with me and Uhl will be a better shooter. Why didn't you just say that? What makes you think that..because his shot looks better?

You called me out like an arse for something you essentially agree with. Nice work Chicken Boy.
 
And I'm not letting it go because I hate guys that attack someone's opinion so vehemently with "moronic / stupid" etc....when there's actually a basis for the opinion...and I even tried to clarify it...and put it in context for you. I'm sure I'm not the first to tell you, but you are kind of a Dick.
 
Yeah, I mean in all honesty the statement "shooting percentages are irrelevant" is pretty stupid too. Shooting percentages and statistics in general might not tell the whole story but they aren't "irrelevant".

Second, I don't agree with you that Uhl will be a significantly better shooter by the time he's done. You could make a reasonable argument for that, especially given white's struggles throughout his Soph and Jr seasons, but I personally don't see it.

Lastly if you get this butthurt over someone calling what you've said stupid then perhaps the internet isn't the place for you. Smart people sometimes say stupid things sometimes too. I'm inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt and say that's what happened here but honestly you aren't doing yourself any favors as you try to defend yourself here. Usually when smart people say something stupid they own up to it and admit it, they don't double down.
 
Oh my god...dude you are killing me. Do you read what you post? Seriously. That's freaking hilarious. The point I've been trying to make this whole time you just post as reasonable. I'm arguing with Forrest Gump for christ's sake.

"Second, I don't agree with you that Uhl will be a significantly better shooter by the time he's done. You could make a reasonable argument for that, especially given white's struggles throughout his Soph and Jr seasons, but I personally don't see it."

The reality is that you didn't agree with the opinion so you called it stupid and baseless...now you say it's reasonable to conclude that, but you don't think so.

Do you want to go back to the OP and site statistics again? You do don't you.

LOL...what did I double down on? I think Uhl is a better shooter than the freshman AW. I never said player. I think he will show that and when you compare him to AW's numbers...I think most people on this board would agree with the statement Uhl will shoot better than AW did from three in his career.
 
It's a lot harder to get a few minutes a game and shoot a good percentage than it is to be a main contributer getting twice as many minutes and shoot a good percentage. Because of this, it's entirely possible that freshman Uhl was a better shooter than freshman White but still have a worse percentage. This is especially true when one guy has a really small sample size. Can you guys be done now?
 
PCHawk said:
It's a lot harder to get a few minutes a game and shoot a good percentage than it is to be a main contributer getting twice as many minutes and shoot a good percentage. Because of this, it's entirely possible that freshman Uhl was a better shooter than freshman White but still have a worse percentage. This is especially true when one guy has a really small sample size. Can you guys be done now?
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Uhl is going to be good. He is going to have a lot more competition than White ever did. Hopefully, Uhl will come in fifteen to twenty pounds heavier than he was last year. We didn't see a lot of him, but he could shoot the three, and he was looking to penetrate when it was open.
 
If the team is going to have a great not good year the biggest jump will be from Woody... If he gets up to 13 to 15 pts a game and 7 plus boards a game that'd be huge. Not just in production but in what that'd mean for the rest of the shooters he'll be playing with. He'll have to be in great shape to play 28 plus mins and stay out of foul trouble to do it. I'd love to say that'll happen but he's just going to have to show me first...

Jok and Uhl both have a ton of room to improve obviously. Uhl getting the mins we expect him to get will just expedentially jump up his stats. Jok if he improves can really be a scoring threat. Improving his shot selection and confidence are his two biggest things he needs. He has the stroke. Ball handling too he needs to work on that.(not to mention D) But Uhl is who I think will make the biggest jump based on just the fact his time on the court will go up the most. Yet if say he struggles early there are like 3 freshmen coming in chomping at the bit for PT too.... So it'll be fun to see how that all plays out.
 
WinOneThisCentury said:
LOL...what did I double down on? I think Uhl is a better shooter than the freshman AW.
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ANd again this is stupid. Look guys you can make excuses to why Uhl didn't shoot as well as White did as a freshman but the fact that White was a better shooter as a freshman is settled. It's not debatable. Uhl was not as good a shooter as White was a freshman. He wasn't close to as good a shooter from the floor from the line or from the arc.

Again in you can argue that he will improve and be better than white as a Soph, jr, or sr. Have at it and have a blast, but he was a significantly worse shooter as a freshman, period.

And for for those that think improved PT and opportunities automatically increase shooting percentage think again. Look at Matt Gatens from his freshman year where he wasn't counted on for anything and his sophomore year when he was expected to be a big contributor. Tell me what year he shot the ball better.
 
RosemaryChknHwk said:
ANd again this is stupid. Look guys you can make excuses to why Uhl didn't shoot as well as White did as a freshman but the fact that White was a better shooter as a freshman is settled. It's not debatable. Uhl was not as good a shooter as White was a freshman. He wasn't close to as good a shooter from the floor from the line or from the arc.

Again in you can argue that he will improve and be better than white as a Soph, jr, or sr. Have at it and have a blast, but he was a significantly worse shooter as a freshman, period.

And for for those that think improved PT and opportunities automatically increase shooting percentage think again. Look at Matt Gatens from his freshman year where he wasn't counted on for anything and his sophomore year when he was expected to be a big contributor. Tell me what year he shot the ball better.
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