RosemaryChknHwk
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Ohhh and another thing. White played 20+mpg as a frosh because he was THAT GOOD. You would have to go back 30 years to find an Iowa team that wouldn't have given him significant playing time as a freshman.
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Ohhh and another thing. White played 20+mpg as a frosh because he was THAT GOOD. You would have to go back 30 years to find an Iowa team that wouldn't have given him significant playing time as a freshman.
RosemaryChknHwk
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Lol, you take the jumper that looks better and I will take the one that goes in the hole we will see who wins. Uhl may very well end up with a serviceable jumper. He might even surpass White as a shooter at some point. You can debate those this and look reasonably intelligent. What you cannot look intelligent debating is who was a better shooter their freshman year.
HawkeyeMHA
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I think it's very realistic to think that every one of our potential starters could take their game a step forward.
Uhl will be better. He will get more time and will be more comfortable. We saw glimpses this year.
I think Jok will be better too. Junior year and more needed from him scoring wise.
Gessell- we saw him drive better at the end of the year and hit the tweener shot.
Woody- senior year. One last shot and he will get lots of minutes. Time to put it all together.
i can see all these players taking their game to the next level. If this happens we will have another good year.
Uhl will be better. He will get more time and will be more comfortable. We saw glimpses this year.
I think Jok will be better too. Junior year and more needed from him scoring wise.
Gessell- we saw him drive better at the end of the year and hit the tweener shot.
Woody- senior year. One last shot and he will get lots of minutes. Time to put it all together.
i can see all these players taking their game to the next level. If this happens we will have another good year.
RocknRollface
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You're all over the place here.
No one was arguing who was better anything as a freshman, but that sample size makes a comparison worthless.
Having cleared that up. The jumper that goes in? Lol. What?
Do you understand the difference between a jumper and a layup/dunk?Let's get that straight first because you are using stats from a guy who took probably 85% of his shots from a foot away.
He didn't have a good jump shot, he very rarely shot jump shots.
Having a good field goal percentage does not make one a good shooter. That's basic stuff.
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Benddontbreak
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Uhl would’ve seen the court and relied on much more on that team than this years team.
SnapBack2
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Gesell is a good pick. He won't average 15 ppg but all of those numbers will go up. He will be a senior PG who can control a game and get to the hoop when the team needs it. Other than Uthoff, Gesell may be the most valuable guy on the team.
Knight78
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I'm not saying he wasn't good. I'm saying he was better than most that we had then and he NEEDED to play that much.
ArvadaHawk
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Woody improving on the offensive end is the biggest "need" for '15-'16, but that would be a nice surprise, though I think he's capable. We should have enough perimeter players on the floor to allow Woody to get single coverage on the block. If Woody can be consistent with both left/right hook shots and up and under's then he could be 12-14 ppg and that could change our entire outlook.
But, I think DU is a good choice to break out next season.
RosemaryChknHwk
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1) read the first two sentences of this thread
2) FT% and 3pt% are generally considered pretty good measures of shooting ability
RosemaryChknHwk
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We got a learning disability here? He was better as a freshman than most we've had in almost 30 years. Teams always NEED their best players to play, that's kinda how it works. White didn't get run cause everyone else sucked. He got run cause he had game. You would have to go back to 86-87 to find a team that wouldn't be made better by White getting 15-20 mpg.
RocknRollface
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I'll grant you the OP made a non factual statement.
The facts are.
White shot 3s poorly as a freshman, and for most of his career. Uhl shot them even more poorly percentage wise as a frosh.
Uhl sample size was very small.
Acting like Aaron White was a good shooter is silly, because he wasn't a shooter at all and comparing Uhl to white has no point.
RosemaryChknHwk
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Now who's arguing with nobody? You should have just stopped after your first sentence.
It would be interesting to see if White would be getting any minutes if he was a freshman coming in next year. White was pretty good as a freshman, but we have some freshmen that look pretty good coming in. He might have a shot at power forward, but the small forward position would be pretty tough. The junior college guy coming in at the power forward position is probably a lot better shooter than White. White is a pretty savvy player, and was excellent at all the things he excelled in.
RocknRollface
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Where I stopped was perfect.
Woody would be a break-out player if he could just stay on the floor and be less foul-prone. But the way this team is constructed, it's likely to be a wing player who breaks out = DU and/or Jok.
WinOneThisCentury
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Wow...just had a chance to read through this thread. Ok, what I meant to say was, "Although the shooting percentages are irrelevant due to Uhl's lack of attempts and playing time, his outside shot looks much better than White's did as a freshman." It's a subjective call on my part that I believe Dom's upside with the outside game (3 point shooting and pull up jumpers) is greater than Aaron's was at that point in his career.
I think Uhl's going to be a very good three point shooter. He just needs the playing time. He has a good stroke already. Knowing the work these guys put in every week...I think it's inevitable. You could tell with Jok, you can tell with Dale Davis...they have a good stroke...and it's a matter of feeling comfortable at this level to let it go freely. AW never gave me that feeling when he was a freshman, or soph, or junior.
I think Uhl's going to be a very good three point shooter. He just needs the playing time. He has a good stroke already. Knowing the work these guys put in every week...I think it's inevitable. You could tell with Jok, you can tell with Dale Davis...they have a good stroke...and it's a matter of feeling comfortable at this level to let it go freely. AW never gave me that feeling when he was a freshman, or soph, or junior.
RosemaryChknHwk
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Shooting percentage stats are irrelevant when comparing the shooting ability of players. Huh, that's a new one on me. In that case I'm going to assert that Little Lick was the greatest shooter in Iowa history based on how his shot looked to me (for the sake of argument lets pretend I don't know very much about basketball) in his limited playing time in one season. Had he gotten more run and taken more shots he would certainly be our all time leader in 3pt shots made.
WinOneThisCentury
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I'm thinking you don't no dick about math to be honest. I've read a few of your posts arguing the point that White's a better shooter and the comparison is ridiculous. Aaron White, after the fantastic shooting freshmen year from three at 28%, went on to shoot 22.7% as a sophomore and 25.7% as a junior. You are right dude, Uhl has absolutely no shot to come anywhere close to those numbers. What were we thinking? White shot 57% because he got baskets in transition his freshman year...and actually throughout his career. I'm a big AW fan, but Uhl will blow those 3 point numbers out of the water...therefore I think he's a better outside shooter than White will be and his stroke looks much smoother and consistent...other than may the last 6-7 games AW played.
Don't be such a arse chicken boy..
