MNF Ending
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hawkfan340
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Believe it or not, I can possess a football simply using my hands. Amazing, I know. And I'm not even a professional football player.
hawkfan340
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Wow, I feel like we watched different plays or something. I honestly don't know what to tell you. You're convinced Tate had no control of the ball, and I think it's obvious that he had his hands possessing the ball before Jennings could get full control. I'm just calling it a night. Peace out.
Go Hawks. Go Chiefs.
Hawkeye11en1
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Having one hand on a football is in no way, shape or form, control. AT ALL. You are crazy.
herkyattack
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How can you say that Tate had possession of this?
hawkfan340
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How can you say that Tate had possession of this?
Just when I think I'm out...
Considering that both refs have run up to the players, I'd say this picture took place well after the catch was over. Being able to wrestle the ball away afterwards is completely irrelevant.
herkyattack
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How can you watch this video and think Tate had a hand on the ball? He grabbed Jennings' arm initially, he didn't even touch the ball.
SEATTLE SEAHAWKS VS GREEN BAY PACKERS HAIL MARY! REFS BLOW IT? 9/24/2012 - YouTube
SEATTLE SEAHAWKS VS GREEN BAY PACKERS HAIL MARY! REFS BLOW IT? 9/24/2012 - YouTube
thejumper5
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For Hawkfan340:
Here's an HD video of the play. You can clearly see at 1:05 and 1:22 that Jennings had control before Tate. Also, here's a pic showing clearly that Tate did not have "both hands on the ball the whole time."
Seattle Seahawks Game Winning Touchdown against Packers | LIVE 9-24-12 - YouTube
Here's an HD video of the play. You can clearly see at 1:05 and 1:22 that Jennings had control before Tate. Also, here's a pic showing clearly that Tate did not have "both hands on the ball the whole time."
Seattle Seahawks Game Winning Touchdown against Packers | LIVE 9-24-12 - YouTube
thejumper5
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Here's how the official NFL rule reads:
"If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control."
The standard for a catch is this:
"A forward pass is complete (by the offense), or intercepted (by the defense), if a player, who is inbounds: (a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground. . ."
I think it is pretty clear from the multiple angles in the video above and from the picture above that Tate does not have a catch the NFL's standard simultaneous to Jennings have a catch to the NFL's standard.
Edit: The standard I'm focusing on is the "in his hands or arms" aspect of the standard (emphasis added). It's pretty clear that Jennings has the ball secured "in his hands or arms" while does merely has the ball pinned against Jennings. Pinning the ball against Jennings is not securing the ball in his arms. The only way that anyone could possibly convince me that Tate had control simultaneous to Jennings would be to prove that Tate has such large, strong hands that he could have had full possession of the ball in only his left hand while Jennings was also controlling the ball. That would be a tough sell.
"If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control."
The standard for a catch is this:
"A forward pass is complete (by the offense), or intercepted (by the defense), if a player, who is inbounds: (a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground. . ."
I think it is pretty clear from the multiple angles in the video above and from the picture above that Tate does not have a catch the NFL's standard simultaneous to Jennings have a catch to the NFL's standard.
Edit: The standard I'm focusing on is the "in his hands or arms" aspect of the standard (emphasis added). It's pretty clear that Jennings has the ball secured "in his hands or arms" while does merely has the ball pinned against Jennings. Pinning the ball against Jennings is not securing the ball in his arms. The only way that anyone could possibly convince me that Tate had control simultaneous to Jennings would be to prove that Tate has such large, strong hands that he could have had full possession of the ball in only his left hand while Jennings was also controlling the ball. That would be a tough sell.
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smhawk
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I think the Seahawks should have just kicked a FG the possession before, ala Ferentz style, as there defense was pretty impressive. Grant it they wouldnt have started the last drive in as good field position but they could have been winning it on a FG instead. Packers shouldn't be that burned out about it all, they were getting pushed around at the line all day when they had the ball. Seahawks are a tough team.
you have to be takin crazy pills as Tate never had any control of hat football period.
shouldnt be burned about getting a win taken away from your team. Tell me you are not that clueless? They won that game and these clueless refs took it away.
Hawkeye11en1
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I think everyone on the planet noticed that. Well, except for the one dude standing directly in front of them.
hawkfarmer
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Shouldn't have even mattered. I know you don't want to call a penalty in that situation, but when it is 2 hands to the middle of the back you have to call that. I am embarassed for the official that called it a TD and missed the penalty. Th
HawkPrdatr40
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Still being the instigator I see 340. See this is where you show complete ignorance and I'm just not buying it. So you know that picture is taken after Jenning catches the ball and he goes to the ground with BALL. When he gets to the ground Tate is trying to get his hands on the ball and Jennings does the obvious thing and that is TURNS away from Tate to gain even more control of the BALL he just CAUGHT.. Notice this picture shows what Tate never had which was his HAND on the FOOTBALL.
SayHawkKid
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Turns out the ref had the possession call right!!! He just forgot which team was on offense!!! All is forgiven.
GhostofBTT
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#14 Blue was also interfered with. It's a hail mary, and there are no rules.
