Miller: The Big Ten's B1G Dilemma: What to Do With Penn State?

[hawkeyebob62]

Wow thunder are we going to see you in the news with a bomb strapped to your chest at Penn State campus? This is getting a bit ridiculous and I see you would probably be interested in a lynch mob?

<<Wow..are we going to see...with a bomb strapped to your chest...>>

You never know. he tends to lose it on these forums from time to time.

 

[ssckelley]

Actually I haven't and you just proved my point. There were no rules written to address this situation. They are stretching the meaning of the rules to punish them. If you want Ill go find you articles from sports law attorneys and form NCAA regulators including former head of infractions committee saying the exact same thing.

What they are trying to do (and you will learn this if you actually read the letter they sent) is use the some of the principles in the Constitution as rules when in fact they are really guidelines for writing the rules. They use the principles as the starting point saying that PSU may have violated principles of the constitution. Why use the consititution? Because it contains broadly written language that they can try to use to capture PSU's behaviour.

Also, because they are trying to use the principles as rules they then go to the ethics bylaws that discuss failure to turn in violations of NCAA rules ( but by rules they mean principles of the constitution).

Now, I know it is easier to shout and yell and tell people to be quite then to actually read something, but next time try the later first.

I swear if you just started misspelling words and use broken sentences I would have to call you herby. You just do not give up on an argument even when the facts are stacked against you. Just because there are no rules, no set of guidelines, against covering up for a pedophile who was your assistant coach does not mean the NCAA cannot go after Penn State. You are sounding like the people at Penn State who try to distance this case from the football program when this whole cover up was all about the football program.

 

[ThunderHawk]

I swear if you just started misspelling words and use broken sentences I would have to call you herby. You just do not give up on an argument even when the facts are stacked against you. Just because there are no rules, no set of guidelines, against covering up for a pedophile who was your assistant coach does not mean the NCAA cannot go after Penn State. You are sounding like the people at Penn State who try to distance this case from the football program when this whole cover up was all about the football program.

I don't understand how one can promote the "not about football" argument with a straight face. At all. Every single bad act here was related specifically to the football program and its personnel and former personnel. The crimes committed at PSU occurred in the football facilities.

The NCAA should be all over this like stink on sh!t, and anyone who argues otherwise just doesn't want to see the football season adversely affected or disrupted to their inconvenience.

 

[treychase]

I swear if you just started misspelling words and use broken sentences I would have to call you herby. You just do not give up on an argument even when the facts are stacked against you. Just because there are no rules, no set of guidelines, against covering up for a pedophile who was your assistant coach does not mean the NCAA cannot go after Penn State. You are sounding like the people at Penn State who try to distance this case from the football program when this whole cover up was all about the football program.

I gave him the ACTUAL rule that was broken & that wasn't enough so this has entered sky is purple territory.

No wonder Miller doesn't tackle real issues often

 

[dameiowa]

I'm still on the first page of posts so i might have jumped over comments similar to what I want to input. Which is that protecting the football program from harm is exactly the same thinking that got more young boys abused than ever should have happened. The football program cannot, should not, be protected from the death penalty. And if Penn State were smart they would give it to themselves. It would show they are truly serious about changing the culture on the campus and that might save their standing in the Big Ten.

 

[ThunderHawk]

I'm still on the first page of posts so i might have jumped over comments similar to what I want to input. Which is that protecting the football program from harm is exactly the same thinking that got more young boys abused than ever should have happened. The football program cannot, should not, be protected from the death penalty. And if Penn State were smart they would give it to themselves. It would show they are truly serious about changing the culture on the campus and that might save their standing in the Big Ten.

BOOM.

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[dmackindm]

I have always hated Penn State. Now I no longer respect them.

 

[kameltoez102]

NCAA should be the least of anyone's worries considering the serious nature of these crimes. To focus on NCAA punsihment in a way trivializes the gravity of the situation. What has happened is beyond football and the NCAA. These matters deserve justice in the courts, and it deserves looking into from federal and state education authorities and they will no doubt be held accountable for all they have done by the courts and government.

This point has been overlooked greatly. We have no idea how much money is coming down the pipe in lawsuits etc. Penn State as a University is in big trouble regardless of football. The impact on the student body, employees of the university, and others that rely on the university is in great jeopardy.

I think Major things will happen to Penn State and that includes the possibility of them completely shutting down. If I were a current employee I would be ****** as hell at what went on behind closed doors with these characters. They are in big time trouble and may not survive. I never thought I would say that but look at how many cities are going bankrupt around the country. They are not too big to collapse. I think the conference needs to cut ties immediately.

 

[ThunderHawk]

This point has been overlooked greatly. We have no idea how much money is coming down the pipe in lawsuits etc. Penn State as a University is in big trouble regardless of football. The impact on the student body, employees of the university, and others that rely on the university is in great jeopardy.

I think Major things will happen to Penn State and that includes the possibility of them completely shutting down. If I were a current employee I would be ****** as hell at what went on behind closed doors with these characters. They are in big time trouble and may not survive. I never thought I would say that but look at how many cities are going bankrupt around the country. They are not too big to collapse. I think the conference needs to cut ties immediately.

All of that notwithstanding, the NCAA still has a duty to act here, or alternatively to compel PSU to act. It's ultimatum time. PSU isn't the only institution on the legitimacy clock in this horror: The NCAA is as well, whether they want it or not.

 

[ThunderHawk]

If the NCAA and Penn State have any decency, even a shred of integrity, remorse or belief in regaining standing, the Penn State football program, the carrot used by Sandusky to rape children, the monolith that intimidated good people from coming forward and doing the right thing and the financial jewel Paterno, Spanier, Schultz and Curley protected at all costs, should be indefinitely terminated.
There are times when the entire monument must be razed in order to be rebuilt if it is to have any moral value. This is one of those times. To allow Penn State to continue playing football when Southern Methodist University lost its program for something as common as a recruiting scandal is to condone the past and enable the future. It is to suggest that all the next university in trouble need do is to make the right public relations moves.
For Penn State to open the season Sept. 1 versus Ohio when the University of Southwest Louisiana lost its basketball program for two years over academic fraud and recruiting violations after Spanier, Schultz, Curley and Paterno responded to repeated child rape by negotiating not only an honorable discharge for Sandusky, leaving him financially intact, respected and elevated, but also for ways for Sandusky to continue to have contact with young children would show an equally striking lack of regard for the victims.

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Most of all, allowing Penn State football to survive and profit -- as if this were only about a couple of kids who cheated on an entrance exam -- says that all of the rhetoric about accountability and protecting children was just exhaust, that compared to the importance of football, the university didn't care then and doesn't care now about children being raped on its premises. It is to retain the culture of intimidation and invincibility that has brought Penn State to this place. If a massive institutional failure that allowed young boys to be sexually molested on campus does not constitute reasonable cause to terminate the program and force true reflection, true change and true reform, nothing can legitimately deserve that penalty. The fear of Janitor B to come forward as a whistleblower in the face of power would be justified. Penn State football would indeed be invincible.

Penn State cannot be allowed to have a football team - ESPN

 

[ThunderHawk]

If Ohio State can't play in a bowl game this season because former Buckeyes coach Jim Tressel lied to NCAA investigators about his players' receiving free tattoos, how can Penn State play in the postseason after former coach Joe Paterno helped cover up the horrific actions of a serial child rapist?
If North Carolina can't play in the postseason this season because some of its players received improper benefits from agents and committed academic fraud, how can Penn State be eligible for the postseason after its former president and vice president, athletic director and legendary coach fostered a culture in which a pedophile used the school's facilities, sideline passes to games and bowl trips like candy to lure the young boys he molested?
And if USC was banned from the postseason for two years and lost more than 20 scholarships because the school failed to oversee the compliance of its most high-profile players, how can Penn State go unpunished by the NCAA when the university's most-high ranking officials failed to even do what was morally right when they learned young boys were violated and the victims and others were probably still at risk?
Let's face it: If the 267-page report released Thursday by ex-FBI director Louis Freeh didn't prove once and for all that Penn State displayed the dreaded "lack of institutional control" in its cover-up of allegations that former defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky molested young boys, what in the world constitutes a major violation in the eyes of the NCAA?
Since Sandusky was indicted in November and tried and convicted last month, the NCAA has struggled with what role it should take in the Sandusky case, the most abhorrent scandal to ever rock intercollegiate athletics. Among the questions: Is it the NCAA's role to poke its nose in criminal cases, and what kind of precedent will it set?
The NCAA is awaiting Freeh's report and pending criminal cases to be finalized before choosing its course of action. NCAA president Mark Emmert wrote a letter to Penn State president Rodney Erickson on Nov. 17, and the NCAA is awaiting the school's response to his questions and concerns.



"Like everyone else, we are reviewing the final report for the first time today," NCAA spokesman Bob Williams said in a release Thursday. "As President Emmert wrote in his November 17th letter to Penn State President Rodney Erickson and reiterated this week, the university has four key questions, concerning compliance with institutional control and ethics policies, to which it now needs to respond. Penn State's response to the letter will inform our next steps, including whether or not to take further action. We expect Penn State's continued cooperation in our examination of these issues."
During the previous seven months in which the Sandusky nightmare unfolded, I wasn't sure the NCAA should get involved. In fact, I didn't know if I even wanted the NCAA involved because the unimaginable scandal seemed so far out of its league.
But after Freeh's report revealed Paterno and others failed to notify the police about Sandusky's assaults of young boys in three separate incidents from 1998 to 2001, I think the NCAA should punish Penn State.
And the Nittany Lions should get hammered more than any other school in NCAA history.

College football -- Penn State Nittany Lions earned wrath of NCAA - ESPN

 

[ThunderHawk]

No case will ever be more disturbing than this one, shaped by what Freeh called a "total disregard for the safety and welfare of Sandusky's child victims by the most senior leaders at Penn State."
Truth is, Penn State shouldn't bother tearing down Joe Paterno's statue unless it is committed to tearing down Joe Paterno's culture. Football ended up making the school and then breaking the school, and now the leaders at Penn State have no choice but to take a season off and realign the school's moral compass. The victims are permanently damaged, and college presidents everywhere must learn from this real-life horror show. They must declare dead the era of the omnipotent coach. They must never again allow a false football or basketball god to lord over anything but game-day preparation.
Do these educators have the stomach for the fight against powerhouse sports programs running amok across their campuses? Or will they continue to tremble and hide as the marching band plays on?

Culture that inspired Joe Paterno statue at Penn State must be torn down - ESPN New York

 

[hawkeyebob62]

I'm still on the first page of posts so i might have jumped over comments similar to what I want to input. Which is that protecting the football program from harm is exactly the same thinking that got more young boys abused than ever should have happened. The football program cannot, should not, be protected from the death penalty. And if Penn State were smart they would give it to themselves. It would show they are truly serious about changing the culture on the campus and that might save their standing in the Big Ten.

Their standing in the B1G should end. The B1G/Pac 12 series has been "called off". This has to be direct response from Pac 12 to PSUs membership. They gotta go, post-haste.