Are you thinking that I didn't know you were being sarcastic?
Miller: Gary Dolphin deserves better
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Are you thinking that I didn't know you were being sarcastic?
99topdawg
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dahlhawk
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Who is the PA announcer at last nights game? That was the 4th game I've gone to this season and the first sell-out. The worst crowd of the 4. Thought I was at an AARP recruiting seminar and time-share meeting. The PA announcer was actually telling people to "Get up and cheer"! First time I've heard that, plus pregame was really trying to hype the game. Felt very much like the Athletic Dept. was playing the distraction game. Dolph doesn't need this shit. He should just do football and let someone else have to get warm and fuzzy with the irrepressible sweet and lovable Fran. Must be a joy dealing with the misplaced anger, venomous eyes that dare a reporter to ask a real question, and Fran's self-deprecating humor. I'll say this about Kirk, he's a man of principle who wouldn't try to ruin a man's reputation. Anyone that thinks Dolph is a racist for a sincere compliment to a gifted player and reads "unconscious racism" into it is, in fact, a racist to follow that line of thinking.
patmyne
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i haven't had time to look at every post and I'm sorry if this has been brought up, but I found this in a simple search...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1583333/Race-row-over-King-Kong-Vogue-cover.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1583333/Race-row-over-King-Kong-Vogue-cover.html
hawkeyebob62
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1. Dolph did nothing wrong
2. Correct, the suspension is about Fran and Margie wanting Dolph gone
3. Again, there was nothing wrong with the comment
4. This isn't the athletic department (allegedly), wink wink
5. "If" Fran's fingerprints are on this? You mean, his quote of it being "Inexcusable" didn't clue you in?
83Hawk
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You are so wrong about the crowd. I was there. The crowd was great.
Adam
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It's possible to be both.
HawkGold
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Funny you pop up on this after being largely absent during a nice BB run.
Regardless of how one feels about whether he did something wrong, it's not the world we live in. In re to racism, our current world is much better than the times before.
That said, he is a professional and knows the environment and the expectations.
I believe you live in NC. Both Iowa and NC at "At Will" States. An "at-will state," means that unless an employment contract details the duration of the employment relationship and/or under what circumstances an employee can be fired (for example, "good cause"), an employer can pretty much come up with any reason it wants to terminate an employee — even if the reason is for a bad cause or no cause at all.
Most of us on here are likely Republican's but not all. At will status is a Republican platform. Dolph knows that. He's a smart professional. The issue of whether it's wrong or not is separate from whether or not they can do it. His firing or keeping will not impact Iowa athletics funding much if anything at all. Iowa can do this whether we agree at all. If he's sues Iowa he is not likely to win.
I still doubt he didn't know the risk. After 3 issues in the past year, I really doubt he wasn't pushing things on part of it (likely the tickets). None of us really know directives he's been given on what he says. I would imagine there is contractual obligation or something in his review file that prohibits him from certain language.
I do feel for him to be an announcer to a degree during much of Fran's tenure as well as some of KFs. Fran has been inept at times and I do believe Dolph's bluntness did contribute to Fran making changes. He never should have called out a player in anyway that could have been heard when on the job except for a completely private situation. With a mic in the room, it's not private, button pushed or not. If he wasn't smart enough not to give tickets to Badger fans in that situation, then he's not smart. I doubt that.
Where we do disagree is the appropriateness of King Kong. In my opinion, if this or something similar hadn't been addressed before, then he should be informed of expectations and informed not to do it or something similar again.
We do not know what he has been advised prior. Exemption Six is the one in question and it would be debatable if pushed. With a simple request it would be denied. Beyond that it could be possible to disclose. It is amazing what you can get through FOIA. If it was a part of his personal file, it might be difficult. If it is a standard contract, then not so much.
Check it out media?
Whether or not media could get that info through FOIA is questionable. Here are the exemptions:
Exemption One: Classified national defense and foreign relations information.
Exemption Two: Internal agency personnel rules and practices.
Exemption Three: Information that is prohibited from disclosure by another federal law.
Exemption Four: Trade secrets and commercial or financial information obtained from a person that is privileged or confidential.
Exemption Five: Inter-agency or intra-agency memoranda or letters that are protected by legal privileges.
Exemption Six: Personnel, medical, financial, and similar files the disclosure of which would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy.
Exemption Seven: Certain types of information compiled for law enforcement purposes.
Exemption Eight: Records that are contained in or related to examination, operating, or condition reports prepared by, on behalf of, or for the use of any agency responsible for the regulation or supervision of financial institutions.
Exemption Nine: Geological and geophysical information and data, including maps, concerning wells.
You and I disagree on the appropriateness. Going forward you position is not sustainable. I don't necessarily agree that he should be suspended or fired depending on facts we don't know and the media is not likely to press.
My guess is there is a running feud and Iowa is at At Will state, which though as someone who typically (almost always) votes R, I abhor in it's current form.
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DDThompson
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Good point. You're right of course. It is possible to be both.
An inept person can abuse his authority to make himself look better; to stay in good graces with his bosses = that is corrupt.
If that happens then that makes those people in authority corrupt. Somewhere in the upstream it comes down to someone is corrupt. We've had plenty of examples at universities that criminal behavior was allowed (and therefore, encouraged) by those in authority -- not because they were inept at their job; it was because they are corrupt.
That's why my default is set to corrupt and not inept -- especially for those people in positions of authority. it's human nature and i've had too many life experiences that prove it.
So I googled "what is king kong" and here's what I got. King Kong is a giant movie monster, resembling an enormous gorilla.
How can someone know it's wrong to compare a black man to a giant movie monster? I can't get over the amount of racism someone has to have in their head to connect those dots. People want people to see all the races as one, but at the same time want them to remember which race a person is while talking about them so they can decide if they need to choose their words carefully. Dolph's biggest mistake is he didn't even think about the fact that Bruno was black. Isn't that supposed to be a good thing?
How can someone know it's wrong to compare a black man to a giant movie monster? I can't get over the amount of racism someone has to have in their head to connect those dots. People want people to see all the races as one, but at the same time want them to remember which race a person is while talking about them so they can decide if they need to choose their words carefully. Dolph's biggest mistake is he didn't even think about the fact that Bruno was black. Isn't that supposed to be a good thing?
Ok it is easy to call for Fran's head when they are losing. Well he is winning now. He needs to go, the Dolph fiasco is further proof that he is a horse's ass. Both he and Barta need to be fired now. I know it won't happen, it is too easy for good people to look the other way instead of doing the right thing. That is how a Paterno and a Knight last for as long as they did. Fran is nothing but a bitter, vengeful small man....what a piece of ****.
I've got no problem with Fran wanting Dolph gone after the Dailey incident. I would have a huge problem if he contrived the King Kong incident as a reason to get him out.
Adam
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I see the point. For me corruption and ineptitude run hand in hand. If someone wasn't inept they likely wouldn't need to resort to corruption. A competent and intelligent individual should be able to maneuver the windy road of life while avoiding the ditch.
I look for the root of corruption. If it isn't incompetence it almost always defaults back to plain old greed. Since there is no obvious signs of financial gain, I assume the root of Barta's corruption is just regular incompetence. That's how the math breaks down in my head.
trj
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Dolph is 60 something years old and spent over half his life in the media he should have known better. It is no different than assuming the mic is always hot.
I do not think there was any racist intent with the comparison, but he should have been aware of what that comparison might bring.
Adam
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Is he a redeemable POS?
I'm not one to judge someone often on the grey fringes of morality. At worst Fran took this play straight out of the playbook of every politician in the last half of a century. It's rather quite cunning of a method to weaken or eliminate an adversary. As long as he can win basketball games I can deal with him being a snake in his personal settling of scores. The next season that Iowa crashes and burns under Fran's supervision will be the point where his venomous slither will be unbearable.
I will say that I feel for Dolphin. He has been the most recent martyr in our current cultures over sensitivity to the racially taboo. However the circumstances of how Dolphin found himself on the hangman's platform are largely irrelevant. They may make the tiny minority of Iowa fans angry. They maybe deceitful and sinister. None of those circumstances will change the perception of the spoken words themselves. There will still be millions of people who hear it or read it and brand it racial. In my opinion it is in fact credible evidence of cultural hyper sensitivity on race.
This also highlights another fundamental shift in American society. The freedom of speech has for along time extended protection naturally to those whose words and opinions offended others. It wasn't long ago that a foul opinion or vile perspective being spoken was merely an individuals right of speech. There was little recourse for controversial thoughts or conversation. The days of this accepted extension on freedom of speech are largely gone. Especially in the forum of race. The modern times have replaced this old system with a new one. A system that seeks out controversial opinions and over zealously persecutes the individuals who fall outside the spectrum of socially acceptable. I believe this to be a dangerous slope. You go from alienating one, or multiple minority races to alienating the receding majority. Simple logic reveals a number of easily conceived pitfalls from this methodology.
I'm all for fighting racism in our culture and in our inner selves. That doesn't mean for just my shade of skin. This should be the goal for all shades of skin. It's not as if racism is a one race show. In my experience every single human is born naturally intolerant of anything that is visually different.
Due to the vast melting pot that is American society new generations of children are being exposed to the wide racial scale much sooner than in previous generations. This will most likely lead to the lowest total aggregate of racism in mankind's history, but it probably isn't going to be that pretty of a ride. Right now, we as Iowa fans are getting a good long look at the ugly. Take solace in knowing that this too shall pass someday. RIP to those caught in the crossfire.
So you're saying he should have thought about the fact that Bruno is black, King Kong looks like a gorilla even tho he's not, and black people are sometimes called apes? All in the spur of the moment? I don't know you, but I'm still willing to bet you would have never connected those dots before someone did it for you. I do agree that after hindsight of having someone racist enough to point it out, I see how it could look to a select few.
Adam
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Technically, science says we were all apes.
Visually one could say that between Iowa and Maryland that Luka Garza most closely resembles the parent hominid of Cro Magnon. If I had to pick 1 player from the B1G that most resembles a great ape I think I would go with Luka. Just sayin.
tksirius
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SonofaSailor
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Freedom of speech works both ways...and it’s funny how certain groups of people only want to protect one sided freedom of speech. The right to say whatever they want without repercussions...the fact we no longer say, “oh that’s just crazy x’s opinion” is a step in the right direction.
Words have consequences....and what has changed is companies are not willing to be associated with those consequences any more.
This situation on the other hand prompted no outrage....this was manufactured by factions that want Dolph gone....and I’d agree with the articles that insinuate it’s Barta and Fran
"He is a stud in the defensive line" Sexist, misogynist, misequinist
