Miller & Deace Post MSU: Not a Pick Me Up Podcast

1977Hawkeye said:
I too see RP flipping to Alabama as a big deal. If you are going to recruit top talent, you are going to have to out-recruit some other programs to get those players. No way around that.. And to lose a top in-state player in those circumstances that had already committed to us.. Not a good omen if you ask me. I get that we aren't going to get all of those players.. But we need to get SOME of them.

There are those who think that every time someone leaves, it's "we didn't want/need him anyway" or "he got an offer from Alabama, what do you expect?" I just can't think that way. Don't you think we'd be better off WITH these players? Of course it hurts the program if they leave, and it helps us if they come here. So in my mind, there's no such thing as a "small deal" when you're talking about 4 or 5*.
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To be fair, it's not like the people who think that way DON'T think Iowa would be better off with a Ross P. It's just that they don't expect to land those players when an Alabama comes knocking.
 
hawkeyebob62 said:
If I coach at ANY other B1G school, I save this podcast and just let recruits know that Iowa folks don't believe in KF, why should recruits?
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They see this stuff for themselves. Thats why there are cycles. Bad years = bad recruiting. The only thing they can sell to recruits is a chance to play or start for three or four years. They can try and sell them on change but that song and dance is getting played out. Only so many times you can change the coaching staff and have people think that its going to make a difference.

If you want bob we could make a recruiting video and act like Iowa just won the NC. We could call Iowa the bullies of the big ten. We can say whatever we want but it wont change a thing its just talk and no recruits are coming here to see if they should attend Iowa. Fact.
 
ArvadaHawk said:
I am not sure there were any Hawk fans at the beginning of the 2010 season that didn't think we'd be gunning for a national championship, particularly, since we were sort of being discussed in 2009 until Stanzi got hurt. We had EVERYONE back. We were loaded, we had 3 yr SR starters all over the place. And then the season unfolded into a 7-5 regular season.
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A dropped pass in the end zone at Indiana from 6-6 mind you.
 
David79 said:
What is really strange about this level of discontent is that Iowa has only had one bad season since 2008. They are 4-2 and 6 games left. I'm looking forward to see what they can do the last 6 games of the year. This team has been better than last year's 4-2 team.

Rudock played the best defense he will play all year and I thought did well with no ground game to speak of.
26-46 241 yds 2tds and 2 INTs

Vandenberg last year against
MSU was worse and he had somewhat of a ground game to help him out.
19-36 for 134 0 TDs and 1 INT
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Couldn't disagree more with the first statement. 2010, 2011, & 2012 were all bad. The B10 has been a poor football conference for some time. 4-4, 4-4, & 2-6 are flat out bad records and Iowa's non-conference is always filled with tomato cans.

As for the second bolded statement, I agree completely. I do believe this team is better and I think they can get a few more wins. But it was disappointing to see them get physically beaten like they did when they pride themselves on being physical.

At least the "Bullies of the B10" nonsense can finally die.
 
It just occurred to me ...the Big Ten's good programs (OSU, Wisconsin, Michigan, Mich St, Northwestern, Nebraska) are starting to look at us...the way we look at Iowa State. A snicker and chuckle at the predictable incompetence.

not good.
 
I once believed in the poor little Iowa recruiting BS, but not anymore that is just a sorry excuse and shows that the coaches aren't very good at selling who and what the program is.

Sorry that has nothing to do with beaches and top programs it's a frickin' we problem.

Is Iowa ever going to be at the same level of Ohio State or Michigan State for 10-15 years straight? probably not but cry me a river with the poor little Iowa crap.

In fact I don't have a problem when we lose to a team that clearly has more talent then us but let's face it over the last few years it doesn't seem to matter what the talent level is of the other team except for a couple of games every team on our schedule seems to have a shot at beating us, sorry but that shouldn't be the case.

If the Iowa coaches don't know what message to sell recruits to get them to come to Iowa City then they should either figure out another way to sell it or they should all be looking for new jobs.
 
Jon,
Sup wit the '80s synthesizer bumper music to start off the podcast? Does Duran Duran know you're sampling them?

I kid I kid, of course.
 
Xerxes said:
Couldn't disagree more with the first statement. 2010, 2011, & 2012 were all bad. The B10 has been a poor football conference for some time. 4-4, 4-4, & 2-6 are flat out bad records and Iowa's non-conference is always filled with tomato cans.

As for the second bolded statement, I agree completely. I do believe this team is better and I think they can get a few more wins. But it was disappointing to see them get physically beaten like they did when they pride themselves on being physical.

At least the "Bullies of the B10" nonsense can finally die.[/

Look at the win totals for big ten teams since 2008. Iowa is right up near the top. That's not being bad.
Even with last year Iowa is 4th in big ten wins since 2008 behind Michigan St (1) Wisconsin (2) and Ohio State (3)
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Xerxes said:
In the world called the B1G.
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So its "flat out bad" to be .500 in the ~4th best conference in the country?

Whatever. I'm sure you'll come back and claim the B1G is the 7th or 8th best conference when all the facts and evidence are contrary.

This is the same world where everyone calls any team not ranked "terrible". Bunch of whiny little babies.
 
hawkdrummer1 said:
It just occurred to me ...the Big Ten's good programs (OSU, Wisconsin, Michigan, Mich St, Northwestern, Nebraska) are starting to look at us...the way we look at Iowa State. A snicker and chuckle at the predictable incompetence.

not good.
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These cheese ball smiles are becoming more of a common place on the sidelines during games and the ultimate slap in the face will be when Iowa St. runs a fake next year........we all know it is coming.

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David79 said:
Xerxes said:
Couldn't disagree more with the first statement. 2010, 2011, & 2012 were all bad. The B10 has been a poor football conference for some time. 4-4, 4-4, & 2-6 are flat out bad records and Iowa's non-conference is always filled with tomato cans.

As for the second bolded statement, I agree completely. I do believe this team is better and I think they can get a few more wins. But it was disappointing to see them get physically beaten like they did when they pride themselves on being physical.

At least the "Bullies of the B10" nonsense can finally die.[/

Look at the win totals for big ten teams since 2008. Iowa is right up near the top. That's not being bad.
Even with last year Iowa is 4th in big ten wins since 2008 behind Michigan St (1) Wisconsin (2) and Ohio State (3)
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Out of curiosity, why go back to 2008? Why not 2007, 2006, or 2001?

Regardless of what span you pick, if you look at big picture, not just cherry picking the good or bad years, Iowa is about .500 conference team under KF. Slightly above actually. Now if the B10 was as strong as it was 10 years ago going 4-4 wouldn't be anything to sneeze at.

You'll never see me say Iowa is a bad B10 program because I don't believe they are, compared to their conference brothers. But when they can only manage 2-4 wins over the course of the last 3 years, in that poor conference, I see it as a bad record. Maybe their win total isn't bad compared to the rest of the B10 since 2008 in conference wins. Okay solid point, my counter is you are comparing them to a lot of bad teams.
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BLKNGOLD48 said:
Not sure if serious....
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The numbers don't lie, Kurt is a cyclic coach

1999-01: Less than 8 wins each year
2002-04: 8 or more wins each year
2005-07: Less than 8 wins each year
2008-2010: 8 or more wins each year
2011-13: Less than 8 wins each year
2014-16: You already know what's coming here
 
ICHawk24 said:
So its "flat out bad" to be .500 in the ~4th best conference in the country?

Whatever. I'm sure you'll come back and claim the B1G is the 7th or 8th best conference when all the facts and evidence are contrary.

This is the same world where everyone calls any team not ranked "terrible". Bunch of whiny little babies.
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Yes I would consider those records bad in the 4th best conference in the country. The B10 usually has about 2 teams at best that could compete in the SEC or Pac12. In the last 3 years usually those teams happen to be a combo of Ohio St, Wisconsin, MSU, and Michigan depending on the specific season. So at most Iowa is going up against 2 teams that are really good and probably 2 other solid teams with 4 pretty bad teams in conference play. I don't consider 4 wins in the schedule okay.

You seem to be in attack mode with the name calling and such. So continue to do so if you feel it is necessary. However, if you read my first post in this thread, I still haven't throw in the towel with "we suck", "fire Kirk" etc nonsense. I'm still on board with this team and the program.

However that doesn't take away from what the last 3+ years have been. In my opinion, that hasn't been too good at all.
 
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