Miller & Deace Post MSU: Not a Pick Me Up Podcast

[ohhawk]

I once believed in the poor little Iowa recruiting BS, but not anymore that is just a sorry excuse and shows that the coaches aren't very good at selling who and what the program is.

Sorry that has nothing to do with beaches and top programs it's a frickin' we problem.

Is Iowa ever going to be at the same level of Ohio State or Michigan State for 10-15 years straight? probably not but cry me a river with the poor little Iowa crap.

In fact I don't have a problem when we lose to a team that clearly has more talent then us but let's face it over the last few years it doesn't seem to matter what the talent level is of the other team except for a couple of games every team on our schedule seems to have a shot at beating us, sorry but that shouldn't be the case.

If the Iowa coaches don't know what message to sell recruits to get them to come to Iowa City then they should either figure out another way to sell it or they should all be looking for new jobs.

Agree with most of your thoughts. Ferentz doesn't seem to understand the "selling" part of recruiting. I think he understands the "presenting" part. I've known many sales people that can present. Finding those that truly sell is a bit more challenging. Past performance is the best indicator of future performance on many fronts and finding the right coaching hires is no different. Outside of C. White I'm not sure we have any coaches that have come aboard with a track record of competing successfully for quality recruits.......and he has been removed from the college recruiting scene for awhile. I've said it before and I'll keep saying it.............people make the difference.

P.S. I do give credit to Coach Morgan for his instate efforts and results but it's not the same as hitting the road outside your borders.

 

[Golfer]

I'm extremely curious what the one poster found to do in Lafayette that was fun.

 

[woodyk1]

Jon,
Sup wit the '80s synthesizer bumper music to start off the podcast? Does Duran Duran know you're sampling them?

I kid I kid, of course.

How dare you, sir. Duran Duran never sounded so good.

[video=youtube;_w4Xulsjo5I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w4Xulsjo5I[/video]

 

[lightning1]

The numbers don't lie, Kurt is a cyclic coach

1999-01: Less than 8 wins each year
2002-04: 8 or more wins each year
2005-07: Less than 8 wins each year
2008-2010: 8 or more wins each year
2011-13: Less than 8 wins each year
2014-16: You already know what's coming here

I dont see us winning 8 games next year, with 3 new LBs on a defense that still can't rush the passer with the front 4. Offense should be better but defense will be worse, IMO. 6-6 would be my prediction.

 

[HaydenHawk56]

I honestly thought this was one of the best podcasts I have listened to (and I enjoy listening to them). Very honest and to the point.

Style of Play really stood out for me in this podcast. Kids want to play in uptempo, fast paced, and risk taking systems.

Who do you want to play for?
OSU
Oregon
Baylor
Northwestern
Fran McCaffery
Mr. Davis (back in the day)
Grinnell Basketball

or
Iowa Football under Ferentz
Todd Lickliter

or sleaze ball mess
The Alford's of the world that promise much, but don't deliver

Style of Play and coaching matters just as much as going out and getting the recruits. It is very circular.

 

[Eda]

How dare you, sir. Duran Duran never sounded so good.

[video=youtube;_w4Xulsjo5I]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_w4Xulsjo5I[/video]

I tip my hat to you. Good ear.

 

[woodyk1]

I tip my hat to you. Good ear.

I am not sure it's a gift.

 

[Eda]

I honestly thought this was one of the best podcasts I have listened to (and I enjoy listening to them). Very honest and to the point.

Style of Play really stood out for me in this podcast. Kids want to play in uptempo, fast paced, and risk taking systems.

Who do you want to play for?
OSU
Oregon
Baylor
Northwestern
Fran McCaffery
Mr. Davis (back in the day)
Grinnell Basketball

or
Iowa Football under Ferentz
Todd Lickliter

or sleaze ball mess
The Alford's of the world that promise much, but don't deliver

Style of Play and coaching matters just as much as going out and getting the recruits. It is very circular.

I'd have to say your post is a tremendous stretch in assumption. To suggest all kids want to play in the fast paced offenses is completely out of touch with reality. Some do, yes. But to suggest that that's all kids want now a days is far and away the biggest stretch I have seen on this board. And believe you me... There have been some doozies.

 

[jacknicholson]

I would be more worried if we had lost him to anyone but Alabama. I don't see how anyone says no to bama right now. Every game on national tv, playing for a NC every year and almos guaranteed to get drafted.

If we had lost him to nebraska or illinois, Id be very worried.

(this only applies to OL, I AM very worried about recruiting almost every other position)

No different than Kentucky in basketball.....

 

[blubberhawk]

The numbers don't lie, Kurt is a cyclic coach

1999-01: Less than 8 wins each year
2002-04: 8 or more wins each year
2005-07: Less than 8 wins each year
2008-2010: 8 or more wins each year
2011-13: Less than 8 wins each year
2014-16: You already know what's coming here

The cycle being broken. We continue to stagnate. Dark days ahead until we get new blood.

 

[NCHawker]

The thing that really stuck in my gut and struck me is when Jon said it says a lot about the state of your program when you have a converted fullback as your running back and that when he is out your running game goes away. That's been on my mind but I never really let the thought matriculate like that.

 

[ssckelley]

The thing that really stuck in my gut and struck me is when Jon said it says a lot about the state of your program when you have a converted fullback as your running back and that when he is out your running game goes away. That's been on my mind but I never really let the thought matriculate like that.

C'MON MAN!!!!

 

[hawkeyebob62]

RP leaving, and before the season started, was a paradigm shift. We went from "why wouldn't you go to Iowa if you are an OL, especially since the HC is a former OL coach and the psuedo OL coach at Iowa and they've been to X number of bowls" to "I want to go somewhere else despite the fact that I am from Iowa, grew up a Hawkeye fan and the HC and his son would be my coaches." Huge. If RP happens to come back to the fold (not holding my breath) it would be an equal shot of enthusiam. This needs to be framed as how other coaches are recruiting against Iowa for the same recruits. What would you say if you were Wisky's coach?

<<What would you say if you were Wisky's coach?>>

My guess is he would say, "We can't pay you Alabama-$EC-type money, but...>

 

[David79]

Out of curiosity, why go back to 2008? Why not 2007, 2006, or 2001?

Regardless of what span you pick, if you look at big picture, not just cherry picking the good or bad years, Iowa is about .500 conference team under KF. Slightly above actually. Now if the B10 was as strong as it was 10 years ago going 4-4 wouldn't be anything to sneeze at.

You'll never see me say Iowa is a bad B10 program because I don't believe they are, compared to their conference brothers. But when they can only manage 2-4 wins over the course of the last 3 years, in that poor conference, I see it as a bad record. Maybe their win total isn't bad compared to the rest of the B10 since 2008 in conference wins. Okay solid point, my counter is you are comparing them to a lot of bad teams.

Since 2002 Iowa is still 4th in big ten wins.

 

[BLKNGOLD48]

I once believed in the poor little Iowa recruiting BS, but not anymore that is just a sorry excuse and shows that the coaches aren't very good at selling who and what the program is.

Sorry that has nothing to do with beaches and top programs it's a frickin' we problem.

Is Iowa ever going to be at the same level of Ohio State or Michigan State for 10-15 years straight? probably not but cry me a river with the poor little Iowa crap.

In fact I don't have a problem when we lose to a team that clearly has more talent then us but let's face it over the last few years it doesn't seem to matter what the talent level is of the other team except for a couple of games every team on our schedule seems to have a shot at beating us, sorry but that shouldn't be the case.

If the Iowa coaches don't know what message to sell recruits to get them to come to Iowa City then they should either figure out another way to sell it or they should all be looking for new jobs.

Good post Hoffa, couldn't agree more....

 

[Howler]

The numbers don't lie, Kurt is a cyclic coach

1999-01: Less than 8 wins each year
2002-04: 8 or more wins each year
2005-07: Less than 8 wins each year
2008-2010: 8 or more wins each year
2011-13: Less than 8 wins each year
2014-16: You already know what's coming here

If Deace is right in that he's never seen a coach rebuild his program 3 times, then I don't think Iowa is going to have a rosy 3 year stretch beginning in '14. By the way, great podcast. Really enjoyed the perspectives.

 

[HaydenHawk56]

I'd have to say your post is a tremendous stretch in assumption. To suggest all kids want to play in the fast paced offenses is completely out of touch with reality. Some do, yes. But to suggest that that's all kids want now a days is far and away the biggest stretch I have seen on this board. And believe you me... There have been some doozies.

Well ya, I suppose some kids want to play in cement to.

 

[eveningnewsteam]

I could see having this discussion at the end of the year if Iowa stinks again, but the season is half over and theyre 4-2 currently. WTF??

 

[1hawkeye1]

If you haven't yet listened to the podcast, you should. I know Deace is a target of much derision around here, but I think he makes some very valid points.

What does Iowa have to sell? NW is now getting the talent we used to get. The enthusiasm of Pat Fitzgerald is a huge selling point to recruits. KF's old stodgy, curmudgeon routine is not a big draw for 17 & 18 year old kids.

There are only so many B1G caliber athletes to go around. The more NW, Indiana, Illinois are snapping them up, the more we are falling back on MAC caliber talent. OSU, Michigan, etc are always going to get first pick. Iowa can't keep whiffing on the kids that are left.

So......what is Iowa selling? KF will get you to the NFL? Even that is starting to drop off. So what else has Iowa got? [crickets] Yeah, I don't know either.

A very sobering podcast. I weep for the future of this program.

 

[hawkdrummer1]

I could see having this discussion at the end of the year if Iowa stinks again, but the season is half over and theyre 4-2 currently. WTF??

So you're unaware that our W's came against teams that are currently 1-5. 1-3, 0-6 and 4-2 (Minnesota's "fast start" has one again proven to be fool's gold)... a combined 6-16.

Care to make a wager on the next 6 games?