Miller: Big 10 Expansion: Texas & Notre Dame Put on Notice

JonDMiller

Publisher/Founder
You can get your fill of all of the Big Ten expansion stories from Tuesday’s press briefing from Big Ten commish Jim Delaney by clicking here.

This is a topic we have been following closely and will continue to do so…here is my two cents on what went down on Tuesday:

Delaney said that having a Big Ten Championship football game is not a priority, and if it was they could have put that together 20 years ago. While it might not be a priority, when the league expands, there will be a championship game because that’s a cash machine in the making.

Delaney said that they are still operating on the 12 to 18 month time frame. He said that reports and speculation have been premature, and he added that it’s the nicest way he can describe some of the reports. The kicker for me is when did that 12 to 18 month clock start? Did it start in mid-December when the Big Ten released a terse statement on expansion? Here was that statement, in case you had forgotten:

Penn State joined the Big Ten Conference in June of 1990 and its addition has been an unqualified success. In 1993, 1998 and 2003 the COP/C, in coordination with the commissioner’s office, reviewed the issue of conference structure and expansion. The COP/C believes that the timing is right for the conference to once again conduct a thorough evaluation of options for conference structure and expansion. As a result, the commissioner was asked to provide recommendations for consideration by the COP/C over the next 12 to 18 months.The COP/C understands that speculation about the conference is ongoing. The COP/C has asked the conference office to obtain, to the extent possible, information necessary to construct preliminary options and recommendations without engaging in formal discussions with leadership of other institutions. If and when such discussions become necessary the COP/C has instructed Commissioner James E. Delany to inform the Chair of the COP/C, Michigan State University President Lou Anna K. Simon, and then to notify the commissioner of the affected conference(s). Only after these notices have occurred will the Big Ten engage in formal expansion discussions with other institutions. This process will allow the Big Ten to evaluate options, while respecting peer conferences and their member institutions. No action by the COP/C is expected in the near term. No interim statements will be made by the Big Ten or the COP/C until after the COP/C receives the commissioner’s recommendations and the COP/C determines next steps, if any, in this area.

Penn State joined the Big Ten Conference in June of 1990 and its addition has been an unqualified success. In 1993, 1998 and 2003 the COP/C, in coordination with the commissioner’s office, reviewed the issue of conference structure and expansion. The COP/C believes that the timing is right for the conference to once again conduct a thorough evaluation of options for conference structure and expansion. As a result, the commissioner was asked to provide recommendations for consideration by the COP/C over the next 12 to 18 months.

The COP/C understands that speculation about the conference is ongoing. The COP/C has asked the conference office to obtain, to the extent possible, information necessary to construct preliminary options and recommendations without engaging in formal discussions with leadership of other institutions. If and when such discussions become necessary the COP/C has instructed Commissioner James E. Delany to inform the Chair of the COP/C, Michigan State University President Lou Anna K. Simon, and then to notify the commissioner of the affected conference(s). Only after these notices have occurred will the Big Ten engage in formal expansion discussions with other institutions. This process will allow the Big Ten to evaluate options, while respecting peer conferences and their member institutions. No action by the COP/C is expected in the near term. No interim statements will be made by the Big Ten or the COP/C until after the COP/C receives the commissioner’s recommendations and the COP/C determines next steps, if any, in this area.


‘The next 12 to 18 months’ line came on December 15th. We’re halfway through the 12 month time frame. 11 months would be November of 2010, at the end of the college football regular season. 18 months would be one year from right now, and before the 2011-2012 fiscal year begins in July of 2011. Makes sense.

Am I totally ruling out something happening in the next 40 or so days before this fiscal year comes to an end? Not entirely, but I think the chances are remote.

Next, Delaney talked about the shift in population demographics to Sunbelt states in recent decades, and how that was going to be a factor in looking at the future of the Big Ten. Does this say, ‘Hello, Texas!’ or what? Well, at least we think the Longhorns will most certainly be on the radar. You can stop right there with regards to Sunbelt expansion; Texas is the jewel of college football in this regard, they recently talked of the benefit of forming their own TV network, and they bring in more revenue than any other college athletic department. Texas is THE prize in Big Ten expansion, from a financial standpoint.

They are a member of the American Association of Universities, which is likely going to play a huge role in expansion, save Notre Dame. They are the second most populated state but California is like another country as it relates to TV revenue because they are in a different time zone that is all but forgotten as it relates to college athletics. Did I mention they are flush with cash?

What I took away from all that I read was that Texas AND Notre Dame are going to have every chance to join a new Big Ten. Neither is likely ready to say yes or no, so the ‘exploratory’ process will continue for the Big Ten into the summer and fall, and an announcement could come in November or December.

Apparently the league handed out an ‘expansion fact sheet’ to media members, and went out of their way to make it appear as though they are taking their time, performing ample due diligence, etc.

In my opinion, if Texas and Notre Dame would have told the Big Ten ‘yes’ by now, we wouldn’t have a 12 to 18 month timeline.

There is a game of…ahem…Texas Hold’em going on right now. It will go on for several more months. It will go on through the football season, where two teams from the Big Ten will get BCS bids once again, and the Big 12 probably gets one this year unless Oklahoma can really put things back together…Notre Dame will be out of the BCS picture as well.

Texas is the king of the Big 12 as it relates to TV revenue, but with that total being just north of $10 million, and Northwestern’s TV revenue share being the same $22 million as Ohio State’s, that’s like saying in the land of the blind the man with one eye is king. Texas will earn millions more for their athletic empire in the Big Ten, and potentially hundreds of millions more for their University in grant dollars, etc, through being tied in with the league on the academic side, over the next quarter century.

Lastly, I just want to reiterate one more time; being a part of the AAU is going to play a big factor. Texas is in it, Notre Dame is not. Nebraska, Missouri, Rutgers, Syracuse, Georgia Tech, Vanderbilt, Pitt, Iowa State, etc are a part of the AAU as well…here is a link for that list.

In the late 1990’s, when Notre Dame was pretty much invited to the Big Ten, the academic side of the University was very much in favor of joining the league…but the athletic side won out. Watching that fight play out again will be fun.

The Big Ten basically put the ball in the court of Texas and Notre Dame on Tuesday, and gets to sit back and wait for their phone to ring…apparently, they are in no hurry…nor should they be, because the cash register is ringing and will keep ringing regardless.
 
Notice is certainly a possibility in the statement by Delaney. But, if they are going after Texas how is that going to jibe with the state requirement that Texas A&M be a part of it? I see Texas being offered but not A&M. I doubt the domers join. Hopefully, the domers will become irrelevant after Big10 expansion.

That's why I see Pitt, Rutgers, Maryland, Missouri, Nebraska being the final fit.
 
But, if they are going after Texas how is that going to jibe with the state requirement that Texas A&M be a part of it? I see Texas being offered but not A&M.

Texas A&M brings in a ton of research money. The Big Ten would be wise to make them an offer. See this post: http://www.hawkeyenation.com/forum/...lars-sense-big-10-expansion-4.html#post132053

Also, Georgia Tech, Baylor, and Vandy look pretty good, too. With research, at least.

We're going south! Yee-haw!
 
I completely understand the move to try to get into the Sun Belt. Heck, I moved down here. However, this announcement sounds like so much gamesmanship when all the other comments were about moving into the Big East zone.

Talking about the population shift to the Sun Belt is meaningful if you are going to take more than one or two schools from Texas. If all you are talking about is Texas, the whole Sun Belt talk is kind of silly. If you are talking about more than one school, you better be careful or you could be stepping into a big academic hole.

Now, we do hear occasional whispers about Vanderbilt and Georgia Tech, but those schools are really far from Texas. They are in the biggest television markets in the south outside of Florida and Texas, but they are still very far from Texas. It would leave the Longhorns on a big island and force them to a lot of long range travel to climates in which they would not be acclimated. I just don't see the Texas thing happening on it's own and with the exception of the other Texas schools, no school close to Texas comes close to the academics of the Big Ten.

I just keep thinking the Pac Ten is a way better fit for Texas. The Pac Ten could add Utah, Oklahoma, OK State, Kansas, Texas, TAMU, and Colorado. That would give them by far the most television sets of any conference and, contrary to what Jon has been arguing, would make them far more relevant nationally, because they would have a bunch of games in the Central Time Zone.

Plus, if you are Texas, do you want to travel to Detroit, Madison, and Columbus or Los Angeles, Tuscon, and Palo Alto?
 
Big Ten expansion discussion is the gift that keeps on giving. At least 4 threads every day for the next 18 months!
 
Notice is certainly a possibility in the statement by Delaney. But, if they are going after Texas how is that going to jibe with the state requirement that Texas A&M be a part of it? I see Texas being offered but not A&M. I doubt the domers join. Hopefully, the domers will become irrelevant after Big10 expansion.

That's why I see Pitt, Rutgers, Maryland, Missouri, Nebraska being the final fit.


I wouldn't even have to think about letting TAMU in if it meant Texas was joining. It would be a no-brainer. Texas is a better fit for the B10 than half the schools currently in the B10.
 
I wouldn't even have to think about letting TAMU in if it meant Texas was joining. It would be a no-brainer. Texas is a better fit for the B10 than half the schools currently in the B10.


This, I know it isn't that easy but if that was all that was keeping Texas out of the Big 10, A&M would have an invite yesterday.
 
I wouldn't even have to think about letting TAMU in if it meant Texas was joining. It would be a no-brainer. Texas is a better fit for the B10 than half the schools currently in the B10.

I agree 100%. Bring in Texas, Texas A&M, Nebraska, ND & Pitt. For some reason I don't get all the hype on Mizzou, I could care less.
 
This, I know it isn't that easy but if that was all that was keeping Texas out of the Big 10, A&M would have an invite yesterday.

Completely Agree...

Pods could look like:
South:Texas, A&M, Neb, Missouri
West:Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois, Wisconsin
North:Michigan, Ohio St, Mich St. Northwestern
East:Indiana, Penn St., Purdue, Rutgers/Pitt/Maryland

South:Texas would clearly be #1 there and keep B12 schools we'd steal together and form an average to decent pod (esp if Neb regains 90s form)

West:All Iowa's main rivals, plus us and Wisconsin are highly thought of this year

North: OSU/Mich keep their rivalry and when Mich gets better they'll have 2 good teams

East: Penn St and if Pitt would be 2 good teams, otherwise probably be similar to South and be one dominate team and 3 middle of the road teams.
 
It's all a big red herring.

We're all going to spend 18 months on talking about possible invitations, television markets, federal research dollars, pods and protected rivalries. And it's all to take our eyes off of the real story.

Just like I created the war with the trade federation and the clone army to create the Galactic Empire, so Barry Alvarez and Jim Delaney have created this hubbub about expanding the Big Ten. /Begin Imperial March

And you're all falling for it, you bunch of dupes!

Bwah ha ha ha!
 
I completely understand the move to try to get into the Sun Belt. Heck, I moved down here. However, this announcement sounds like so much gamesmanship when all the other comments were about moving into the Big East zone.

Talking about the population shift to the Sun Belt is meaningful if you are going to take more than one or two schools from Texas. If all you are talking about is Texas, the whole Sun Belt talk is kind of silly. If you are talking about more than one school, you better be careful or you could be stepping into a big academic hole.

Now, we do hear occasional whispers about Vanderbilt and Georgia Tech, but those schools are really far from Texas. They are in the biggest television markets in the south outside of Florida and Texas, but they are still very far from Texas. It would leave the Longhorns on a big island and force them to a lot of long range travel to climates in which they would not be acclimated. I just don't see the Texas thing happening on it's own and with the exception of the other Texas schools, no school close to Texas comes close to the academics of the Big Ten.

I just keep thinking the Pac Ten is a way better fit for Texas. The Pac Ten could add Utah, Oklahoma, OK State, Kansas, Texas, TAMU, and Colorado. That would give them by far the most television sets of any conference and, contrary to what Jon has been arguing, would make them far more relevant nationally, because they would have a bunch of games in the Central Time Zone.

Plus, if you are Texas, do you want to travel to Detroit, Madison, and Columbus or Los Angeles, Tuscon, and Palo Alto?

This is a pretty strong arguement of why they would not, going to these places in November not exactly what a bunch of kids from Texas are going to want to do, let alone their fans.

Its rare to see the Texas football team venture north of Oklahoma when November rolls around.
 
One of two things will happen with Texas, and neither involve Texas going to the Big 10.

They will

a. stay in the Big 12 and rebuild it to their liking and to suit their needs after the north is raided by the Big 10.

or

b. they will go independent and start their own network.


Personally, I think it will be a.
 
One of two things will happen with Texas, and neither involve Texas going to the Big 10.

They will

a. stay in the Big 12 and rebuild it to their liking and to suit their needs after the north is raided by the Big 10.

or

b. they will go independent and start their own network.


Personally, I think it will be a.


With who???
 
I have no inside information on this -- but it just makes too much sense for Texas not to be the target of the Big Ten for all the reasons fully articulated above.

Living in Texas -- I can say that it would be a neat thing to have Big Ten teams play in Austin. But there is a downside -- if you think Notre Dame or PSU fans are egocentric -- they have absolutely nothing on UT fans. Obnoxious may be too gentle of a description regarding how they believe they are the center of the universe. Although secretly I would like to see daOSU and UT fans get after each other each year!! :)
 
It's all a big red herring.

We're all going to spend 18 months on talking about possible invitations, television markets, federal research dollars, pods and protected rivalries. And it's all to take our eyes off of the real story.

Just like I created the war with the trade federation and the clone army to create the Galactic Empire, so Barry Alvarez and Jim Delaney have created this hubbub about expanding the Big Ten. /Begin Imperial March

And you're all falling for it, you bunch of dupes!

Bwah ha ha ha!

Maybe not a red herring, but I'm sensing a lot of smoke and mirrors here.

If Notre Dame wants to come....that will be it. If not, I'm guessing either 1 or 3 teams....Missouri, Nebraska and one other.

Whatever happens, I predict it will be a huge letdown from what people were expecting.
 

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