Marcus Smart shoves a fan

Aren't we all taught to "fans" even if that means even to our opponents? We are all die hard fans of Iowa, ISU, or whomever, and there's always that one player that can get under your skin, either because of a great play or series of plays, or just because he may seem cocky, whatever, makes no difference....with that said, I have always felt that in our house we have to show respect to our opponents, coaches, parents of players....We need to show them the respect they deserve...what Smart did was wrong, and what Mr. Orr said or didn't say was wrong as well.....just enjoy the game & the competitiveness...
 
slickwillard said:
Thats awful. I never knew that.
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slickwillard said:
Thats awful. I never knew that.
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Yes, it happened. The Student Section for Missouri was the worst in the country at the time. It was the worst fan behavior I had ever heard about, as low as you can get.....

If something was said about Smart's brother that is somewhat close. We might never what was really said. It's a he said/he said situation. It was ugly and the fan did start the issue, but players must be used to that and have thick skins. Some players love the fans behavior. It spurs them on.....

Orr is a shame to the program at Texas Tech and casts a blight on the school overall. He should be either banned or moved to the top row. Won't happen if he is a huge financial supporter. The thing that stands out in my mind it his wife's reaction. She appeared to be outraged as though this type of situation had never happened before. Terrible people......

HawkMD, you and your fellow fans did the right thing. Stop the nasty, classless behavior. There are limits....

I acutually like to see opposing players help each other off the floor. It is a rare thing to see there days. That's the way it is.....

Smart is a hotheaded player, but not the only one in college ball. He is a college student. Orr is a middle aged man who is acting like a nasty bully child.....

:rolleyes:
 
DDThompson said:
Yes.

Are you serious with the question?
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First of all John Lucas the III is the son of NBA player... and former NBA coach...

Not of the hood...

So you think an angry white man using the n word is the same as some black men who are friends hanging out and using it?

Some African American people are insulted by it either way but pretending its the same thing is beyond ignorant.
 
Foval21 said:
Hawkinn3 and LG210, I used the job situation (btw I don't condone what he did just I understand why he did it and remember how young he is as we all are more impulsive when young) do you jobs have you physically competing in a manner similar to smart's job? Remember in bball if you are posting up or boxing out and the other guy pushes you off your spot you are taught to physically push back. As the adrenaline is running in his situation I am saying it is more difficult to toe that line that he should have toed. I am amazed more players don't do this as fans like HawkMD2007 pointed out can be vile. A vast majority of players don't push back but with some of the things said their way it is amazing they have the restraint. Smart just doesn't have that restraint right now. Hopefully he learns it because he is a great player. He needs guidance and that falls on the coaches who seem to have failed to teach him how to control himself.

My problem is it seems many are quick to judge smart for his inappropriate actions but they don't want to look at the ugly truth that there are fans that are kind of asking for it and need to be stopped by people like HawkMD2007 and others otherwise this will happen more. Let's look at ways to fix the problem. And right now the bigger problem is how fans act than how players react as a much higher percent of players don't react to the idiots that try to provoke them. It took smart's immaturity to bring to light a problem with how some fans think they can act just because they paid for a ticket.
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I have a feeling that if I told you that my job was "physically competitive" that you ask me if I wore a tank top and shorts when I performed it. And, if not, it would not be similar enough for me to pass judgment on what was obviously poor behavior.
 
LG210 said:
I have a feeling that if I told you that my job was "physically competitive" that you ask me if I wore a tank top and shorts when I performed it. And, if not, it would not be similar enough for me to pass judgment on what was obviously poor behavior.
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What I am getting at is that within the confines of sport, smart is taught to push back and somewhat fight back physically...during the game he is in a mindset where that is acceptable. Then when this happens people act shocked that he got physical when he had been doing something physical leading up to it...it was his frame of mind that he was in. I know it was poor behavior but people are forgetting that not long ago there were considerable bench clearing fights in the nba...the sport employs intentional fouls as strategy...which is physical, these players are playing a very physical sport and adrenaline is flying things happen. I would bet if the same thing was said to smart outside the arena of bball where he was that he probably would have ignored him but his body and mind were not in a normal version of life. They were in an über competitive situation where on the court physicality is actually praised. It happened to spill off the court which is a shame but he didn't punch him and he has apologized. He has been suspended...what did anyone really do to the fan for their inappropriate action? He said he wouldn't go to any more games anyone making sure that happens? Was he able to resell his tickets and recoup his money? What a punishment it must be hard for that fan.
 
Foval21 said:
What I am getting at is that within the confines of sport, smart is taught to push back and somewhat fight back physically...during the game he is in a mindset where that is acceptable. Then when this happens people act shocked that he got physical when he had been doing something physical leading up to it...it was his frame of mind that he was in. I know it was poor behavior but people are forgetting that not long ago there were considerable bench clearing fights in the nba...the sport employs intentional fouls as strategy...which is physical, these players are playing a very physical sport and adrenaline is flying things happen. I would bet if the same thing was said to smart outside the arena of bball where he was that he probably would have ignored him but his body and mind were not in a normal version of life. They were in an über competitive situation where on the court physicality is actually praised. It happened to spill off the court which is a shame but he didn't punch him and he has apologized. He has been suspended...what did anyone really do to the fan for their inappropriate action? He said he wouldn't go to any more games anyone making sure that happens? Was he able to resell his tickets and recoup his money? What a punishment it must be hard for that fan.
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I knew exactly what you were getting at.

I just fail to see why you are making excuses for his conduct when thousands before him have passed, and thousands after him will pass, substantially the same test without issue under substantially similar circumstances. The exceptionally high pass rate indicates that it does not require a super-human effort.
 
kicker22 said:
If it's based on an individuals talent level I don't see a fan ever truly getting into the player's head and striking a nerve. I think that is why fans go after family members and make it personal. Not saying its the right thing to do, but lets face it, as a player, I'm not going to care the slightest bit what someone in the stands who most likely has never played above a varsity level, has to say to criticize my game. It doesn't make sense.

A couple hundred or thousand would be a different story, but you're not going to pick out a guy talking trash and let them get under your skin. IMO if that was the case and Smart bit on it, then he already lost because he wasn't concentrating on the game. The focus is your opponent, not some internet tough guy or high school has been thats trying to get into your head.
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So are you inferring that because typical heckling isn't effective enough, it's OK to "cross that line" into racial/personal issues that are beyond the game because it will help a fan influence the player?
 
HawkfaninWA said:
So are you inferring that because typical heckling isn't effective enough, it's OK to "cross that line" into racial/personal issues that are beyond the game because it will help a fan influence the player?
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I think you totally misread my thread or simply didn't understand what I was getting at. I was inferring that IMO fans make it personal because thats the only way an athlete pays any attention to them. And you really need to reread my post, because at no point in time did I ever indicate that I approve of this. My opinion is and always has been if its something that occurs on the court its fair game. If its something that happens off the court (ie. family issues, personal behavior, etc..) it should be off limits.

You honestly don't know me well enough as a poster, because I don't think I've ever brought race into any post I've made. Nor do I think its acceptable to do as a fan or anyone else. IMO skin color is skin color and culture is culture, it is what it is and isn't something in which anyone has any control of so it shouldn't be an issue or used against someone. Trust me. I'm about as far as you can get from a racist and simply don't think racism has any place in todays society.
 
sportstalent said:
Or the Duke fans asking Tyler Lewis of NC St. how his grandma was, three days after her funeral.
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Yikes. That is something that security should address.

Actually, if the Duke coaching staff heard that, they should have the guts to get the crowd to stop saying anything like that. If they heard it and did nothing, well, shame on them.
 
LG210 said:
I knew exactly what you were getting at.

I just fail to see why you are making excuses for his conduct when thousands before him have passed, and thousands after him will pass, substantially the same test without issue under substantially similar circumstances. The exceptionally high pass rate indicates that it does not require a super-human effort.
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I am not making an excuse I am saying I understand why it happened. What I can't understand are fans that feel like they are allowed to belittle players like some do. I feel that is the main place this conversation needs to be on because so few times do the players actually do this...this is 1 player out of how many games. But you will find many fans acting in a similar manner as this guy was at every game. Yet the conversation is directed at how we should change the fans it is about the player who has been disciplined and other players will fall in line. But how many fans are going to think twice about what they say because of the non punishment that fan got?
 
Foval21 said:
I am not making an excuse I am saying I understand why it happened. What I can't understand are fans that feel like they are allowed to belittle players like some do. I feel that is the main place this conversation needs to be on because so few times do the players actually do this...this is 1 player out of how many games. But you will find many fans acting in a similar manner as this guy was at every game. Yet the conversation is directed at how we should change the fans it is about the player who has been disciplined and other players will fall in line. But how many fans are going to think twice about what they say because of the non punishment that fan got?
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What is the point of saying you understand why it happened if not to mitigate condemnation of the actor?
 
Foval21 said:
I am not making an excuse I am saying I understand why it happened. What I can't understand are fans that feel like they are allowed to belittle players like some do. I feel that is the main place this conversation needs to be on because so few times do the players actually do this...this is 1 player out of how many games. But you will find many fans acting in a similar manner as this guy was at every game. Yet the conversation is directed at how we should change the fans it is about the player who has been disciplined and other players will fall in line. But how many fans are going to think twice about what they say because of the non punishment that fan got?
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Just curious in your year's of college sports, what was the toughest venue you played in.
 
LG210 said:
What is the point of saying you understand why it happened if not to mitigate condemnation of the actor?
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So no one is ever able to say they understand why someone might do something that is not right? I am not saying I agree with his actions. I am saying it isn't foreign to me that a 19 yr old would act impulsively and do something stupid that they later regret.
 
AHawk1 said:
Just curious in your year's of college sports, what was the toughest venue you played in.
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I played baseball and not at the level smart is at. So it is apples to oranges. We played places where you would hear stuff that ****** you off but nothing like is said to these players in d1 bball. In baseball it is usually the other team that is the worst culprit and we did get into a few bench clearers.
 
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