Living and Dying by the Two-Star (with some interesting data from HawkeyeGameFilm)

[hawkeyegamefilm]

Re: Living and Dying by the Two-Star (with some interesting data from HawkeyeGameFilm

I assume he is using this in some kind of ironic way, an anti-bullying message perhaps? A look at what happens to bullies, you end up 4-8 in a crappy B10, kind of way

Hah, you have to Brian credit, success always begins with a belief in yourself and your team. Iowa's OL has a long ways to go before they are in the same category as the original bullies but it's not a bad marketing/label to try and use. In short he's talking/hyping before he delivers, which cuts both ways. Gotta win or else it's pointless.

 

[dave3912]

Re: Living and Dying by the Two-Star (with some interesting data from HawkeyeGameFilm

Recruits shouldn't be decomitting from Iowa to go to Indiana, sorry.

Wow, did you really put any thought into this statement at all.

All of you guys who liked that post clearly don't understand what happened.

1 player decommits from Iowa to go to Indiana and you people jump off a cliff.

David Kenney Jr.'s Dad was hired by Indiana. So lets see, spend his college career at Iowa, away from his dad. Or go to Indiana and his dad can attend all his games and will be around campus, minus when he travels because he was a recruiting assistant.

Wow, next time look at the whole situation instead of just simply implying that Indiana is stealing all of Iowa's top end talent.

 

[IowaFan81]

Re: Living and Dying by the Two-Star (with some interesting data from HawkeyeGameFilm

Kids from Cedar Rapids should want to play here though.

Mu username sums it all up "Malaise", how in the hell with our facilities and gameday environment can anyone excuse any schools others than O$U, $cUM, PedoU, and perhaps M$U and Wisconsin out recruiting us, even these should be a stretch some years. There was an article on here from last year that stated for an 11AM game in Champaign the alumni tailgating parking lot was EMPTY at 7:30 AM for a 11AM kickoff. If we cannot recruit against that, not to mention that armpit Champaign and a half empty memorial stadium, then as the article mentioned we are not trying hard enough. Any player not wanted by OSU, Michigan or Notre Dame in the Land of Corruption right now ought to be fair game and in play to be a Hawkeye.

Ron Zook was a 1st class dickbag no doubt, but if we had half the swagger emanating from our coach he did, I truly believe we would land some higher touted talent.

What Cedar Rapids kids are you talking about that didn't go to Michigan?

And since when do players tailgate before playing games?

 

[olddude]

Re: Living and Dying by the Two-Star (with some interesting data from HawkeyeGameFilm

Hah, you have to Brian credit, success always begins with a belief in yourself and your team. Iowa's OL has a long ways to go before they are in the same category as the original bullies but it's not a bad marketing/label to try and use. In short he's talking/hyping before he delivers, which cuts both ways. Gotta win or else it's pointless.

Starts in the head. I think Jon's write up pretty much points this out as well. I think for a few years there, Iowa forgot this. I have said it before and I stand behind it, I will take a 3*'s that are humble, have heart and are willing to do whatever it takes to see just how good they can be, because they want to know just how good they can be.
Did you see Holtz today? He said the same thing, character counts. He said ND had highly ranked recruiting classes and still could not win in the past. The other guy pointed out "you have to have size and speed as well" DUH. A star or a few pounds hardly makes the player. Good coaching and a player that pushes himself, does.

 

[OUTofTOWNHAWK]

Re: Living and Dying by the Two-Star (with some interesting data from HawkeyeGameFilm

What Cedar Rapids kids are you talking about that didn't go to Michigan?

And since when do players tailgate before playing games?

Really? Yeah the players prefer fans to get to the game minutes before the game and to be sober and quiet that way the can hear the coach yell things. Its a wonder players can play at all during those night games at Kinnick.

 

[HawkIMalaise]

Re: Living and Dying by the Two-Star (with some interesting data from HawkeyeGameFilm

What Cedar Rapids kids are you talking about that didn't go to Michigan?

And since when do players tailgate before playing games?

Adrian Arrington and Amara Darboh. Toss in Christian French to Oregon for good measure.

 

[HawkIMalaise]

Re: Living and Dying by the Two-Star (with some interesting data from HawkeyeGameFilm

Starts in the head. I think Jon's write up pretty much points this out as well. I think for a few years there, Iowa forgot this. I have said it before and I stand behind it, I will take a 3*'s that are humble, have heart and are willing to do whatever it takes to see just how good they can be, because they want to know just how good they can be.
Did you see Holtz today? He said the same thing, character counts. He said ND had highly ranked recruiting classes and still could not win in the past. The other guy pointed out "you have to have size and speed as well" DUH. A star or a few pounds hardly makes the player. Good coaching and a player that pushes himself, does.

I believe Dez Bryant and Calvin Johnson were 5 star recruits. Being 6'4 or 6'5 with hands like King Kong with the ups of Spud Webb doesn't hurt at the skill positions.

 

[ohhawk]

Re: Living and Dying by the Two-Star (with some interesting data from HawkeyeGameFilm

I'm guessing not many opinions have changed over the many months of the recruiting discussions on this board. Seems most have remained steadfast with their opinions. For too long it has been hot air blowing back and forth. Thank goodness the majority of these testosterone battles will be winding down.

I think Mr. Miller's article is good in that he has spent some time gathering info and presenting some facts to the debate. I agree with some of his findings and conclusions but differ on a few items. I will just say that in the business world key personnel that are in a position to determine the fortunes of an organization are rewarded on the basis of results in the end.......not how hard they try or how hard they work. The ability to sell your offering to a client vs your competitors is a skill. Good sales people can overcome many obstacles.

I still believe people can make a key difference. I hope Mr. Ferentz is surrounding himself with those type of people because recruiting is now a much bigger more competitive business with much more at stake than it was years ago. I have followed this recruiting thing as probably some others on this board have for numerous decades. It's a whole different much more competitive game......tougher for Iowa than many others but it just requires finding and building the organization with the right personnel and a knowledge of your changing market.

 

[FCAS]

Re: Living and Dying by the Two-Star (with some interesting data from HawkeyeGameFilm

This, from HawkeyeGameFilm, who played at the BCS level: "I'd guess no one has been better at creating NFL players from two-star talent than Iowa. The 2008 and 2009 classes appear to be years where the law of averages caught up with them. The way Ferentz runs the Iowa program, they need the gaps filled in by those two-star kids. The good news is they hit on 3 of 5 in 2010 and I think they could do well with the 2011 class, too."

Interesting article, but not so sure I'd agree that "we hit on 3 of 5 in 2010". It's likely that those 3 would have had smaller roles last year if the 2008 and 2009 recruiting classes were a little better.

 

[JonDMiller]

Re: Living and Dying by the Two-Star (with some interesting data from HawkeyeGameFilm

I will just say that in the business world key personnel that are in a position to determine the fortunes of an organization are rewarded on the basis of results in the end.......not how hard they try or how hard they work. The ability to sell your offering to a client vs your competitors is a skill. Good sales people can overcome many obstacles.

If over the last decade you're winning on par with the Top 20 programs in the nation and your revenues are in the Top 20 in the nation and you're doing it with talents that is ranked about 35th to 40th in the nation year in and year out in the rankings, I think you have to take some of that into account...winning at Iowa has never been nor will ever be easy.

 

[hawkfan33]

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If over the last decade you're winning on par with the Top 20 programs in the nation and your revenues are in the Top 20 in the nation and you're doing it with talents that is ranked about 35th to 40th in the nation year in and year out in the rankings, I think you have to take some of that into account...winning at Iowa has never been nor will ever be easy.

Going to have to change this beyond a decade soon, only 1 top 20 finish in the last 8 years, can't live off of your results from the early 2000's forever.

 

[uihawk82]

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but differ on a few items. I will just say that in the business world key personnel that are in a position to determine the fortunes of an organization are rewarded on the basis of results in the end.......not how hard they try or how hard they work. The ability to sell your offering to a client vs your competitors is a skill. Good sales people can overcome many obstacles.

I still believe people can make a key difference. I hg market.

Do you really believe that. There are so many bad upper management people in this country who get huge salaries, bonuses, and golden parachutes even though their companies are going down the toilet. Give me a break.

There are tons of workers who know how to kiss arse and buffalo their way through their work career and the reason is the poor management above them.

 

[hawkeyegamefilm]

Re: Living and Dying by the Two-Star (with some interesting data from HawkeyeGameFilm

Interesting article, but not so sure I'd agree that "we hit on 3 of 5 in 2010". It's likely that those 3 would have had smaller roles last year if the 2008 and 2009 recruiting classes were a little better.

KMM is definitely a hit. 82 catches his first two years is solid production.

Hitchens: I consider being a solid depth/reserve role for a year + a full year as a starter, with another to come as a hit. Would like to see him player better but definitely a hit.

Miller is probably a weaker 'hit' than the other two but has started two years at FS. He fell apart down the stretch last year but so did the whole defense for the most part.

Other two are whiffs though, that's for sure.

 

[JHHawk]

Re: Living and Dying by the Two-Star (with some interesting data from HawkeyeGameFilm

Thanks for the data,gamefilm. It is always enlightening to look at some historical facts to maintain perspective on this day of ultimate hyperbole,without evidence.

It is always interesting to look back at these classes 4-5 years later,and to see which guys we all anguished over,keeping and losing, and how they ultimately panned out. I can hardly remember many guys that we missed on that became stars...altho Sean Lee of PSU was one.

 

[STILLBUSTER]

Re: Living and Dying by the Two-Star (with some interesting data from HawkeyeGameFilm

What-evs ... little to no difference between 2-3 stars, depending on the year, even between 2-4 stars; all depends on the curve for that class. The only consistently noticeable and reliable difference is the 5-star.

That being truth, could care less of Iowa's ranking. It's all mute if their square pegs in round holes in terms of being best utilized, in the best situation, and put in the best position to maximize success / optimize potential.

That simply hasn't happened far too often over the past 6 years.

 

[Tmoney12]

Re: Living and Dying by the Two-Star (with some interesting data from HawkeyeGameFilm

#followhawkeyegamefilm

 

[hawkdrummer1]

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I don't disagree Jon, but the problem is that Kirk embraces the idea that we're not a houshold name and have to go get underheralded players as opposed to trying to brand the program on a broader scale.

It's one thing to do this because that's what you believe is best for your program, it's another to do it because you prefer it that way.

Exactly. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

[dave3912]

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#followhawkeyegamefilm

Anyone who has twitter and is also a hawkeye fan should be following him. If they don't, they don't know what they are missing. It is nice to have real game analysis from someone who has been there and knows what they are talking about.

 

[FreedComanche]

Re: Living and Dying by the Two-Star (with some interesting data from HawkeyeGameFilm

Anyone who has twitter and is also a hawkeye fan should be following him. If they don't, they don't know what they are missing. It is nice to have real game analysis from someone who has been there and knows what they are talking about.

I ain't got twitter. Can you just email me the highlights of his stuff?

FreedComanche

 

[dave3912]

Re: Living and Dying by the Two-Star (with some interesting data from HawkeyeGameFilm

I ain't got twitter. Can you just email me the highlights of his stuff?

FreedComanche

Oh Freed, get with the times! ha ha ha, just kidding man!

When he starts posting more Iowa football stuff we can start a thread or something and just post his tweets in it so it can be followed here.