Legitimate thoughts around poor (to date) recruiting results
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WindsorHawk
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OP's question...I don't think about it because I'm not worried about it. One thing I don't worry about is Fran's recruiting, coaching, program building, hiring good assistant coaches, developing players... Oops! I guess that's several things I don't worry about with Fran.
BigD
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Better watch what you are saying about the future abilities of this team with what's now on board. I made a similar comment on anther thread and was told you can't look out two seasons from now and project a good team. One poster even listed the six or seven players that would be on the squad if Fran signed no one for the next two years and then commented that those players would make a good team but probably would not be good enough. I then looked at the players he had listed and most of them would be seniors and a few Juniors. I can't help but think back to the last time Iowa made the final four. They were very short on depth on the bench. That group of young men were affectionately referred to as the "Iron Men". I assure you that the potential talent that Fran would have on board in two years even if he didn't add another player would far exceed any expectation any Iowa fans had of Ronnie Lester and the crew he had around him the two years before they went to the final four.
Now you can talk injuries all you want. You can talk transfers and woody being drafted to the NBA after his junior year. All those things could happen, but I am just saying if the team stays together just as it is, we are going to have one mean azz team when Woody and associates are seniors. I have full faith in Fran's abilities to bring in the players we will need to make this program very successful. Go Hawkeyes!!!
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We said the same think about KF. Fran has been great, but nobody is above questioning- not even questioning, just discussion.
This class isn't going well, everyone Iowa offered early- except Miller and Uhl, but both look like they are going elsewhere- have already moved on, and now Iowa is offering fall backs of fall backs.
It is time to be concerned with this class. Will the program be sent into a death spiral, probably not, but don't pretend a poor class won't eventually be felt.
sportstalent
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So no matter who Iowa signs at this point is not going to have a good career, in your assessment?
I don't know the future. There are guys that seem to show all the signs of being a big time player, but eventually fizzle out, and sometimes the reverse happens.
But those are mostly exceptions, it's fairly obvious that whoever Fran brings in- unless Miller or Uhl surprise me, he is bringing in someone he initially didn't envision offering.
Is it possible that one of those fall backs ends up being a really good player, sure, but it isn't likely. Stars, rankings and other offers aren't perfect, but they are damn good indicators of what kind of player a school is looking at.
People love to cite Aaron White and Dev Marble, and I'm a fan of both players, but it's hard to consistently find those players.
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sportstalent
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I just wanted to get your official stance there. Iowa isn't getting a Top 25 class or Top 30 for that matter. If this class if filled with solid, four year players and one can develop in the mold of a Marble, I am good with that. That said, if Marvin Clark comes to Iowa then you can't call this a poor class, he is a very solid player who has been a nationally ranked player in the last few years. Obviously, I don't know Iowa is getting him or not, but just used him as an example. Also, I will take him over Uhl/Miller combined.
Throw the White citations out, had he not broke his wrist, I am not sure he ends up at Iowa, he missed a big key AAU season for recruiting. White was always good, anyone who saw him healthy knew it. I had a sister division in the company I worked for in the Cleveland and asked the GM if he knew who Aaron White was and he replied "who doesn't" that is what they thought of him and how good they thought he was.
sportstalent
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What is really funny about White, is the guy I asked said he didn't follow basketball, but knew how good he was. He was a huge football fan and went to St. Edwards out in that area. Never missed football games, but just read about basketball, so knowing that, it was surprising for me to get that kind of response.
deanvogs
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This is also why I'm not in a panic. Sure it sucks we missed out on our top guys, because everyone knows the more highly rated kids we get here, the better the odds are that one or two pan out and become very good players. If we continue to get one major contributor a year (Marble, White, hopefully Jok) and sometimes more (Gesell, Uthoff, and Woody) and then fill in with solid 4 year role players around them, we will be solid. The problem is that the odds get longer of getting a Marble type outside the top 125, but it does happen.
Worse case scenario we whiff, and have a class without a major contributor. Hopefully then Fran can turn this years NCAA tournament and buzz we will be getting all year into a recruiting class next year that nabs 1 or 2 high end kids. It is like anything in life, you are not always going to succeed right away. Sometimes you have to adjust, and continue pounding away to get the results you want.
tm3308
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See, the thing is, Fran isn't like the rest of us. He's still going to have a job when this year's class isn't a homerun. Recruits care about getting to the Dance. If you can't sell them that, you're fighting an uphill battle, which Fran is until (hopefully) this March.
Also, it's cute that you think Iowa is no worse than Marquette, which has gone to the Sweet 16 in each of the last three tournaments and reached the Elite Eight last year. You lost all credibility with that comparison.
WindsorHawk
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I know they were monitoring him all summer and had more than passing interest. I don't think they ever got further than monitoring...no serious consideration to actually offering. He gave South Dakota State a verbal almost 2 months ago. Iowa almost certainly told him they weren't going to offer or I think he would have waited on Iowa. I haven't talked to my source in awhile so I may know more at a later date.
My guess is the scholarship went to Ellingson...probably a couple others in the mix. Ellingson fills the same type of role, plays against higher level competition and is less of a risk.
I hope he does well at South Dakota State. It's probably the best fit for him...kind of figured he would end up at a mid-major.
blkngldFRO
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Fran is still building his type of play here at Iowa. You are going to see more pressure and running then you saw even last year. On offense you are going to see more "highlight" reel plays. This type of basketball should appeal to a lot of different recruits. If the hawks make some noise this year it will get a lot of recruits attention. Right now the only attention the hawks are getting is the personal attention they get from Fran. You take that and put it with ESPN moments and you will land some of the homeruns.
The only thing that worries me about landing "homerun" type players is playing time. To run and gun like Fran wants to do you will have to rotate rotate rotate. Most homerun players want to be on the court all the time. Fran will need to find enough role players, and to do that they can't all be "homeruns".
Simply put is you need to give Fran another year before you start to panic about his recruiting abilities. *sarcasm* Runner up in the NIT just doesn’t carry the weight with recruits it used to. *sarcasm*
The only thing that worries me about landing "homerun" type players is playing time. To run and gun like Fran wants to do you will have to rotate rotate rotate. Most homerun players want to be on the court all the time. Fran will need to find enough role players, and to do that they can't all be "homeruns".
Simply put is you need to give Fran another year before you start to panic about his recruiting abilities. *sarcasm* Runner up in the NIT just doesn’t carry the weight with recruits it used to. *sarcasm*
blkngldFRO
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Fran is still building his type of play here at Iowa. You are going to see more pressure and running then you saw even last year. On offense you are going to see more "highlight" reel plays. This type of basketball should appeal to a lot of different recruits. If the hawks make some noise this year it will get a lot of recruits attention. Right now the only attention the hawks are getting is the personal attention they get from Fran. You take that and put it with ESPN moments and you will land some of the homeruns.
The only thing that worries me about landing "homerun" type players is playing time. To run and gun like Fran wants to do you will have to rotate rotate rotate. Most homerun players want to be on the court all the time. Fran will need to find enough role players, and to do that they can't all be "homeruns".
Simply put is you need to give Fran another year before you start to panic about his recruiting abilities. *sarcasm* Runner up in the NIT just doesn’t carry the weight with recruits it used to. *sarcasm*
The only thing that worries me about landing "homerun" type players is playing time. To run and gun like Fran wants to do you will have to rotate rotate rotate. Most homerun players want to be on the court all the time. Fran will need to find enough role players, and to do that they can't all be "homeruns".
Simply put is you need to give Fran another year before you start to panic about his recruiting abilities. *sarcasm* Runner up in the NIT just doesn’t carry the weight with recruits it used to. *sarcasm*
clicheusername3
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Lol.
ssckelley
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No, I do not want Herby back!
