KF Starting QBs

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There have been 21 quarterbacks who've started games under KF:

Banks
Beathard
Beutjer
Chandler
Christensen
Gronowski
Hill
Labas
McCann
McNamara
Mullen
Padilla
Petras
Reiners
Rudock
Stanley
Stanzi
Stratton
Sullivan
Tate
Vandenberg

I don't think anyone would argue the Rushmore is Banks/Tate/Stanzi/Beathard

I had a conversation with a guy at work who thinks the honorable mention spot goes to Nate Stanley. I think he's full of shit. Gronowski has firmly taken that spot away. He's a leader and a locker room guy who got tough when things got tough. Stanley was not that. Other than the single OSU game he was the opposite of that. And before anyone says MG was only here for a year, so was Banks.
 


I definitely think Gronk deserves Honorable Mention. I was talking to my son saying how I wished there was some way we could keep him for one more season. I really think he was hitting his stride. You get a full year of a healthy Gronk with a good understanding of the Lester offensive schemes, I think you see much better stats.

That being said, I think many would agree what he lacked in passing, he by far made up with leadership, his running ability, and toughness. Kid is definitely a winner.
 


I agree with the exception of Stanley. He had some nice bowl wins for us against teams were were underdogs. He was undefeated against ISU as well as a really nice game against #6 OSU. He also did it with Brian as OC which has to be something.
I think Gronowski could take his place with a bowl win but for me Stanley has the nod for now just for that reason.
 
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If Gronowski is Honorable Mention, there's a huge chasm between the 4 QBs Fry listed as Rushmore and Hon. Mention. Banks, Tate & Beathard had wheels AND could throw the ball. Gron demonstrated that for most of this season, he couldn't.

Gron and Stanley without debate will go down in Hawkeye lore as being the best QB sneak QBs in Iowa history, tho!
 


Stanley over Gronk and it's not close.

3 seasons vs 1
MUCH better passing stats (Stanley is #2 for yards and TDs all time at Iowa)
3-0 against ISU vs 0-1 for MG
4-7 against ranked teams vs 0-4 for MG
Stanley did all that with Brian as OC

I love Gronowski and wish we had him back next year. But recency bias is affecting your judgement.
 
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Stanley over Gronk.

3 seasons vs 1
MUCH better passing stats
3-0 against ISU vs 0-1 for MG
Stanley did all that with Brian as OC
Yeah I lean towards Stanley due to all this as well.. I woulda loved to have had Mark for another yr or two in Lesters system to have had this be a little bit more of an apples to apples comparison but Mark did nothing passing wise and Stanley did quite a bit actually. More then people seem to want to give him credit for anyway
 


There have been 21 quarterbacks who've started games under KF:

Banks
Beathard
Beutjer
Chandler
Christensen
Gronowski
Hill
Labas
McCann
McNamara
Mullen
Padilla
Petras
Reiners
Rudock
Stanley
Stanzi
Stratton
Sullivan
Tate
Vandenberg

I don't think anyone would argue the Rushmore is Banks/Tate/Stanzi/Beathard

I had a conversation with a guy at work who thinks the honorable mention spot goes to Nate Stanley. I think he's full of shit. Gronowski has firmly taken that spot away. He's a leader and a locker room guy who got tough when things got tough. Stanley was not that. Other than the single OSU game he was the opposite of that. And before anyone says MG was only here for a year, so was Banks.
People forget that Nathan Chandler was a 10 win QB. Unfortunately, it was a flash in the pan as he only started the one season.
 




Stanley's notable achievements when things "got tough"...

Sophomore Season
Led Iowa back from a 10-pt 4th quarter deficit against ISU, threw game-tying TD pass with 1:09 left (admittedly, that was 99% Akrum Wadley) and threw game-winning TD pass to ISM in OT

Got a bowl win vs. BC on a sheet of ice

Junior Season
After D squandered a 15-pt lead to allow Nebraska to tie the game with 3:22 left, Stanley led Iowa down the field to get in position for the winning FG...the drive was mostly on the legs of Mekhi Sargent, but Stanley completed a 10 yard pass on 4th and 8 with 42 seconds left to set up the game winner.

Got a bowl win vs. one of the saltiest defenses a KF team has ever faced in #18 Miss St. We were completely incapable of running the ball (4 total yards, discounting sacks), and Stanley completed 67% for 214 yards and 3 TDs/1 int.

Senior Season
Beat ISU 18-17, leading the drive to take the lead in the 4th quarter (63%, 201 yds, no turnovers, rushing TD)

Beat Purdue even though the D gave up 200 yards receiving to David Bell...I know it was just Purdue, but they had our number at that point (70%, 260 yards, 0 TD/1 int)

Beat #7 Minnesota (9-0 at that point), 61%, 173 yards, 2 TD/0 int

Beat Nebbie on the road, got the ball in a tie-game with 32 seconds left. Completed two 22-yard completions and got up to clock the ball, setting up Duncan's game-winning FG and subsequent kiss to the crowd.

Ran an admittedly overrated #22 USC team out of the stadium in a bowl win to wrap up his career (67%, 213 yards, 2 TDs).

Summary

Stanley had a few real stinkers in his first season starting. After that, he lost some close games against good teams, just like Gronowski did this season. I am sure some will try to degrade Stanley's comeback wins vs. ISU because "that's just the Clones," but we should keep in mind that Gronowski was not able to pull off that feat this season. Also, Stanley beat 4 ranked teams: #3 OSU as a sophomore, #18 Miss St. as a junior, and #7 Minnesota and #22 USC as a senior. Gronowski did not beat a ranked team this year in 4 attempts.

As for the intangibles of being a "leader and locker-room guy who got tough when things get tough," I am quite certain Stanley's teammates would describe him as being exactly that. And while we could point out instances where Stanley made mistakes in big games, I could also point out plenty of plays that Gronowski could've made in those 4 losses this year.

If you stack their final seasons side-by-side (the truest comparison), they look eerily similar:
*Gronowski lost to 4 ranked teams, Stanley lost to 3 ranked teams (and beat 2).

*they both led their teams to memorable wins: Gronowski with comebacks against PSU and MSU (keep in mind, his early play in both of those games contributed to the need to comeback) and a beatdown of Nebby. Stanley with late go-ahead drives vs. ISU and Nebby, and with ranked wins against Minny and USC

*neither of them was good enough to lead Iowa to the special seasons that the Mt. Rushmore QBs were able to craft.

Bottom line, they were both really good Hawkeye QBs, and we were lucky to have them. I give Stanley the nod because he did it for us for 3 seasons, and he put up passing stats in big games that we haven't seen since. I also think anyone that played with BF as OC needs to get scored differently, and I think we are rating Gronowski too much on his last 1.2 games and not on his full season.
 






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