KF said Fant is a specialist!

[hwk23]

Don't even get me started.
A bunch of people on here were crying about how we didn't play wr's who couldn't block and our pass game sucked.
I sat here and said all of them, every player needs to block. I even posted a NFL wr who said absolutely it's necessary because if they can run the ball it makes his job as a wr easier.

Well la te friggin da, we can't run the ball against a good hs team.
So stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

Not sure what you're trying to say but Fant can block, certainly better than any WR.

 

[LurkinGopher]

Not sure what you're trying to say but Fant can block, certainly better than any WR.

Agree, just spread him out. He's as fast as any WR on the roster, 6'5" and he has a 42" vert. Mismatch anywhere on the field. How about throw Fant a 50/50 ball instead of another screen to Easley.

 

[4thngoal]

Not sure what you're trying to say but Fant can block, certainly better than any WR.

I'm saying that we can't run the dam ball because most of the team can't or isn't blocking.
Our run game is a smelly pile of dog crap because our run blocking by everyone is dog crap.
Nobody has that killer mentality. That I'm going to knock your dick into the dirt grit.
It's well we will work on it and clean some things up.
Screw that, you can only drink from the skulls of your enemy because you kicked the ever loving crap out of them.

 

[4thngoal]

"this is hell gentleman and we can stay here and get the crap kicked out of us, or we can fight our way back into the light"

No scheming, just good old fashion will power.
That, we are going to ram this friggin ball right down your throat.
That go ahead line another one up across from me and he will be sitting on the bench by the end of the game same as the first one is.

 

[earlkoppelman]

"this is hell gentleman and we can stay here and get the crap kicked out of us, or we can fight our way back into the light"

No scheming, just good old fashion will power.
That, we are going to ram this friggin ball right down your throat.
That go ahead line another one up across from me and he will be sitting on the bench by the end of the game same as the first one is.

Great post!! Movie line?? Jake by me.. How about BEACH BOYS. "be true to school" Go Hawks. Players Always tough!

 

[4thngoal]

I'd be half tempted to run the ball 75% of the time in the next few games, if for no other reason than to see who is run blocking 110% of the time. Who's getting it done.
What people. What group. What coach.
Because right now we could have a Barkley, a Greene, a Ezekiel Elliott and it wouldn't matter.
Wadley covered up this problem a little and that's why he is missed.
Everyone is saying Eno this Brock that. We need better rb's and maybe so, but any rb is only going to be as good as the blocking he gets.

 

[lightning1]

Don't even get me started.
A bunch of people on here were crying about how we didn't play wr's who couldn't block and our pass game sucked.
I sat here and said all of them, every player needs to block. I even posted a NFL wr who said absolutely it's necessary because if they can run the ball it makes his job as a wr easier.

Well la te friggin da, we can't run the ball against a good hs team.
So stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

Of course every player needs to block. But there is a different level of blocking expectation for every player on the field. I don't place the same expectations on ISM as I do NF...as I do K Render. I expect ISM and NF to provide blocking effort on every play but that's not their primary function in the offense. If it was, KF would just play offense with 8 OL, a QB, a RB and a FB. I know...I know...I'm sure he'd love to. If you're telling me that Noah Fant is giving zero effort in blocking, I'd like to see the video evidence. And I'm talking the evidence of him giving zero effort 46 out of 50 offensive snaps that he's on the field and not targeted.

 

[4thngoal]

Of course every player needs to block. But there is a different level of blocking expectation for every player on the field. I don't place the same expectations on ISM as I do NF...as I do K Render. I expect ISM and NF to provide blocking effort on every play but that's not their primary function in the offense. If it was, KF would just play offense with 8 OL, a QB, a RB and a FB. I know...I know...I'm sure he'd love to. If you're telling me that Noah Fant is giving zero effort in blocking, I'd like to see the video evidence. And I'm talking the evidence of him giving zero effort 46 out of 50 offensive snaps that he's on the field and not targeted.

I'm not saying anyone is giving zero effort.
You say it's not their primary function and I say on a running play it's everyone's primary function. That's how run plays work. Same as it's not a rb primary function to block, but it sure the shit is on a passing play when he has to pick up a blitz or someone gets through the line.

 

[4thngoal]

If you are a te or wr and it's a running play, let them come and jam you then turn that against them by making it into you blocking. Stay with it until the whistle blows.
If they are not jamming you, you jam them and stay with it until the whistle blows.

 

[lightning1]

I'm not saying anyone is giving zero effort.
You say it's not their primary function and I say on a running play it's everyone's primary function. That's how run plays work. Same as it's not a rb primary function to block, but it sure the shit is on a passing play when he has to pick up a blitz or someone gets through the line.

Of course it is. But my expectations for the success of each players efforts, diminishes the further they are from the Center position. I expect NF to be a better blocker than ISM. I expect Wirfs to be a better blocker than NF. Etc, etc. And my expectations change according to who said player is blocking. I expect NF to have a harder time blocking a DE than a blitzing CB. I expect the effort on every play.
I also expect an OC to scheme to fit the strengths of the personnel. This is not something that KF/KoK/GD/BF has shown any ability to do. They're gonna run the plays and formations they always run and the players need to fit in. That's their prerogative but it's a total waste on a talent like NF. And it's one of the primary reasons why highly rated WRs won't play for KF. And the primary reason why our offense is pedestrian, from year to year.

 

[lightning1]

If you are a te or wr and it's a running play, let them come and jam you then turn that against them by making it into you blocking. Stay with it until the whistle blows.
If they are not jamming you, you jam them and stay with it until the whistle blows.

The defense isn't lining up tight to jam TEs/WRs on running plays. The run formations are easy to spot, so there's no need for them to do that. They only have to maintain discipline on the weak side in case that crusty bootleg is employed. And even then, it's usually the TE dragging across the formation from the strong side.

 

[Motigerhawk]

The whole old school mentality that surrounds this program is tired.
I am frustrated and about to quit.
I was born and bred in Iowa City, but I cant take KFs shit anymore. It is turning me against the program.

 

[hawkeyes87]

our offense is pedestrian, from year to year.

I wouldn't say that.

Some years the offense rises to pedestrian level.

Many years it's pedestrian-run-over-by-truck.

 

[hawkeyebob62]

And while you are at it you find a fricking punt returner who is an actual THREAT to a return a punt. This Ferentz ball is just INSANE!!

I'm not worried about the punt return game as much as I am the actual punt game. As long as our punt game is regressing to 2017 levels, our punt returners' hands are tied by the inevitable lining up-at-his-own-10 we've grown re-accustomed to seeing.

 

[4thngoal]

Of course it is. But my expectations for the success of each players efforts, diminishes the further they are from the Center position. I expect NF to be a better blocker than ISM. I expect Wirfs to be a better blocker than NF. Etc, etc. And my expectations change according to who said player is blocking. I expect NF to have a harder time blocking a DE than a blitzing CB. I expect the effort on every play.
I also expect an OC to scheme to fit the strengths of the personnel. This is not something that KF/KoK/GD/BF has shown any ability to do. They're gonna run the plays and formations they always run and the players need to fit in. That's their prerogative but it's a total waste on a talent like NF. And it's one of the primary reasons why highly rated WRs won't play for KF. And the primary reason why our offense is pedestrian, from year to year.

Jesus stop with the NF love train.
I don't give a rats ass who you are or what position you play, you need to be a good run blocker to have a good running game.
Is a wr going to play on the line and block a dl?
Of course not.
But he had better be able to block just about every DB out there.
The fact of the matter is, if your run blocking sucks, so does your run game. That in turn hurts your passing game.
You ever notice Wisconsin seems to always have stud rb's yet at the next level they are just fairly average? Wisconsin makes them look like studs because they Excel and put emphasis on run blocking. Not just for the ol, but for the entire team.

 

[Motigerhawk]

Jesus stop with the NF love train.
I don't give a rats ass who you are or what position you play, you need to be a good run blocker to have a good running game.
Is a wr going to play on the line and block a dl?
Of course not.
But he had better be able to block just about every DB out there.
The fact of the matter is, if your run blocking sucks, so does your run game. That in turn hurts your passing game.
You ever notice Wisconsin seems to always have stud rb's yet at the next level they are just fairly average? Wisconsin makes them look like studs because they Excel and put emphasis on run blocking. Not just for the ol, but for the entire team.

This is true. But when your staff puts run blocking at the top of the skills needed to play department, you are in for a long season.

 

[4thngoal]

This is true. But when your staff puts run blocking at the top of the skills needed to play department, you are in for a long season.

That's the difference.
This isn't track where the one skill of running fast makes you good.
You have to be good at several things.
Do people mess up, throw an int, fumble or miss a block? Sure. But when your run game stinks and has for a long time, where has our rushing ranked in the past 5 years?? There is a reason why.
Our run game hasn't been anything to write home about for a good while, so it's not just talent or the current players. It's not just we need a stud rb, because it's pretty amazing how Illinois, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Purdue all have "stud" running backs.
It's not that they are stud rb's, it's something else and that something else is exactly what we need to fix and fix fast. Like 5 years ago fast.

 

[smhawk]

The whole old school mentality that surrounds this program is tired.
I am frustrated and about to quit.
I was born and bred in Iowa City, but I cant take KFs shit anymore. It is turning me against the program.

I don't understand that is what is happening. Iowa has done plently that isn't "old school". From swinging gates, empty set shotgun, passing more than running, passing with a huge lead...

Not having Fant out there isn't a matter of "doing it the way we always have..." it's just not intelligent.

I'll agree TJ has probably been a better target and Fant isn't the best run block TE on the team, but there's no sensible reason why he shouldn't be starting at WR the majority of the time then. Put your best players out on the field.

 

[lightning1]

Jesus stop with the NF love train.
I don't give a rats ass who you are or what position you play, you need to be a good run blocker to have a good running game.
Is a wr going to play on the line and block a dl?
Of course not.
But he had better be able to block just about every DB out there.
The fact of the matter is, if your run blocking sucks, so does your run game. That in turn hurts your passing game.
You ever notice Wisconsin seems to always have stud rb's yet at the next level they are just fairly average? Wisconsin makes them look like studs because they Excel and put emphasis on run blocking. Not just for the ol, but for the entire team.

It's not a "love train". It's just facts. Scott Chandler wasn't half the blocking TE that Moeaki or Kittle was. I guess he shouldn't have played either. I guess he didn't deserve playing time. Somehow, Chandler managed to catch 47 passes to Moeaki's 10 in 2005. And 46 to 11 in 2006. Hmmmm. Something doesn't add up here. Not sure what it is. Oh yeah....it's your bullshit defense of KF.

 

[4thngoal]

It's not a "love train". It's just facts. Scott Chandler wasn't half the blocking TE that Moeaki or Kittle was. I guess he shouldn't have played either. I guess he didn't deserve playing time. Somehow, Chandler managed to catch 47 passes to Moeaki's 10 in 2005. And 46 to 11 in 2006. Hmmmm. Something doesn't add up here. Not sure what it is. Oh yeah....it's your bullshit defense of KF.

Albert Young (pro rb) Shawn Greene (pro rb)
Drew Tate (got a shot at the NFL, all conference)
Might not have to put such a premium on everyone run blocking with a supporting cast like that.
Plus we actually had a run game back then.