Katenda and Olaseni

I disagree but not even because of "ethical" reasons

Neither Katenda or White will play 5
Hopefully Basabe won't play 5

That leaves Brommer and Olaseni. We all know Brommer could get in foul trouble in 5 minutes and I'd expect the same from a Freshman. I think we need the depth and especially if someone gets hurt
We could definitely play Basabe at the 5 some. Possibly White as well. Don't forget about Stokes either. He could get some run at the 5 if needed. I mean, trotting out White/Katenda/Basabe together at the 3-5 is not a bad situation at all, IMO. At the end of the day, Katenda could help us in a lot more ways next year than Archie.
 
I disagree but not even because of "ethical" reasons

Neither Katenda or White will play 5
Hopefully Basabe won't play 5

That leaves Brommer and Olaseni. We all know Brommer could get in foul trouble in 5 minutes and I'd expect the same from a Freshman. I think we need the depth and especially if someone gets hurt

There will be significant minutes in 2011-12 played without a true center, i.e. White/Basabe; if Katenda signs, even more significant minutes with Katenda/Basabe, White/Basabe, White/Katenda, and maybe even White/Basabe/Katenda. Especially with the long/lean types Fran likes, think best talent on the floor vs traditional line-ups.

UncleHawk
 
I disagree but not even because of "ethical" reasons

Neither Katenda or White will play 5
Hopefully Basabe won't play 5

That leaves Brommer and Olaseni. We all know Brommer could get in foul trouble in 5 minutes and I'd expect the same from a Freshman. I think we need the depth and especially if someone gets hurt

You have to think about more than just next year. Would you rather have 1 more year of Archie or 4 years of Katenda and Olaseni if we are able to sign both of them?
 
This Archie talk is mute. Fran is not that type of person that is going to tell the kid to hit the road. He is going to do his best to coach Archie up and get the most out of him that he can. Alford and Lickliter are gone and there's a new sheriff in town who works with kids, not chase them off.
 
This Archie talk is mute. Fran is not that type of person that is going to tell the kid to hit the road. He is going to do his best to coach Archie up and get the most out of him that he can. Alford and Lickliter are gone and there's a new sheriff in town who works with kids, not chase them off.


If Archie is on track to graduate in May, why would he want to go to school in the fall just to play 3-5 min per game. Fran would sit down and explain this to him.

And if its mute, nobody can hear you. You may think it is moot though.
 
Yeah...does anybody know if Archie has any ambition to go to grad school? I sure hope he wouldnt go to grad school just to play 150 minutes total next year.

Do scholarships cover grad school? If so, I'd be more than interested in having those 150 minutes to pay my academic expenses if I were in his shoes. And that's what an athletic scholarship is supposed to give to these guys: a chance to get a top-flight education even if they don't have the money. He'd be using basketball to pay for the schooling he'll need for the rest of his life.
 
Do scholarships cover grad school? If so, I'd be more than interested in having those 150 minutes to pay my academic expenses if I were in his shoes. And that's what an athletic scholarship is supposed to give to these guys: a chance to get a top-flight education even if they don't have the money. He'd be using basketball to pay for the schooling he'll need for the rest of his life.

Good question on scholly's covering grad school. I dont know. It is Fran's job to find the best use for our scholarships, and if we have a chance to land Katenda, Olaseni and another player we are targeting (a PG or Hubbard) that is a better use of our scholarships.

And how many grad school programs are only 1 year?
 
I'm 99% certain they do. iirc we had a few football players (QB maybe?) go to grad school on our dime. I believe there may have been another player do his first yr of med school.
 
Hey don't get me wrong there are probably better uses of the scholly that Archie is using however Fran isn't going to tell the kid to hit the road, that's not his style. Archie does have explosiveness around the basket that can be utilized. I think if he had three years under Fran he would be significantly better.
 
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I can't believe some of our fans....what are we Florida, Auburn, another SEC school? Let's at least keep pretending college athletics still has anything to do with academics....
 
I'm not exactly supporting running him off. But if scholarships don't apply for players who have graduated, then that's an open spot anyway. I'm thinking they apply, though, otherwise Fran would have been talking about having 3 more spots to fill, instead of just 2.
 
Wow the only playing 150 minutes arguement is great. This may be his last shot at division one basketball. I'm pretty sure he'd be broken hearted if his schollie was pulled.

While maybe I'd like seeing it happen i don't think there's a chance.
 
If Archie can stay healthy and work on hitting the rim on free throws then I have no problem with him staying.

Also, I dont think Barta nor the pres would be in favor of cutting anyone off the team that is underachieving. That is unless they mysteriously find 10 kilos of Columbian bam bam that someone just so happen to plant in his locker.
 
I still don't understand why some of you want Archie to move on. The kid showed spurts of talent mixed with raw stupidity from a basketball sense. If he has another year under his belt with some pretty damn good coaching then I see no reason why he couldn't have a break out year.

I for one didn't think the kid was going to ever see the floor. I also ate crow when he did see action and impressed me at times. I'm not saying he's going to become Acie Earl but I think he could surprise some next year.
 
I am not in favor of running kids off, Iowa doesn't need that perception...again. Iowa has two scholarships open and Olaseni cancelled the rest of his visits, for now and Katenda is visiting this weekend. If I recall correctly, Iowa is the only school to have offered both players. When it was announced that Olaseni was visiting, I had a very good feeling about what the end result would be. Xavier offered him and if he doesn't visit there, huge positive for Iowa.
Back to the Archie thing, I don't see how the scholarship wouldn't cover it, there are multiple players that redshirt and are around for five years. Also, Kemba Walker graduated and didn't redshirt, do you think UConn would pull his scholarship since he is a graduate, probably not...I believe they are good for five years, I could be wrong, it could also be an eligibility thing too, sixth year players do happen as well. The flip side of that is they are renewable each year, so the school does not have to honor it if the school so chooses. This is why you see the SEC football schools do what they do, because they can, it isn't totally ethical, but it is within the rules.
Archie has shown some flashes of good at times, except at the free throw line. He has length defensively and is an effective defender against guys that are similar in build. Offensively, he needs a lot of work, but he does run the floor well. My only real issue with Archie is that he doesn't stay healthy.
 
I like how some get in an uproar over the SEC oversigning in football, but then others want that exact thing to happen with Iowa basketball...not to mention having no problem with booting a kid because you don't know him and what the hell, right!?!?..."he ain't my kid and he's not good enough for my taste...f*ck him!"...but hell yeah, if he was great, he could beat his girlfriend and get caught selling heroine to highschool kids and he'd "deserve a second chance, cuz we ALL make 'mistakes', right!?!?"...

I guess what I'm trying to say is, F it...keep Archie...and F some of you who don't give a crap about the kids on the team you supposedly love...
 
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LOL. Yeah, Archie's going to be heart broken when Fran tells him, "Devon, I'm not going to give you a scholarship to play 3 minutes a game next year."
 
I also don't think that Archie will be forced out and that Fran has said all along that he will take the best available talent at ANY position. If Olaseni and Katenda both commit, then the staff will obviously focus on a PG in the 2012 class.

Regarding Katenda specifically, I've read threads on Wake's and Notre Dame's boards and their fan bases want him equally as bad as we do. The link below shows how much he likes Coach Francis but expresses his concern for our staff's short tenure and how he will be utilized. I get the feeling that his upcoming visit and Olaseni's visit are mutually exclusive and have nothing to do with a courtesy like some here have assumed. We have a chance guys and next week's visit is so important.

Katenda Starts Taking Visits

http://www.cuttingdownnets.com/2010/08/10/eric-katenda-interview/
 
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