tm3308
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This. Load up on talent and athleticism on the perimeter, and then sell big guys in 2012 on being the final piece of the puzzle.
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This. Load up on talent and athleticism on the perimeter, and then sell big guys in 2012 on being the final piece of the puzzle.
Re: Re ISUHawk's comments on Hubbard.
The players with a scholarship are - Cole(graduating), Cartwright, Gatens, Brommer, Archie, May, Payne, Marble, McCabe and Basabe. All of the other players are currently walk-ons. With Cole graduating and Oglesby and White already signed, that leaves two scholarships to fill for next year. I suppose there could be another one opening, but judging by Fran's comments, everyone that can be back will be.
All of that being said, I'd be thrilled if they got Guerrero and Carter(or other athletic guard/wing player). Just get the best players he can. My preference would be to get a big, but like Fran alluded to, if they best available are a 1 and 2 or 3, then get them. It's seeming like there's a good chance of getting two bigs for 2012 anyway (Woodbury and Meyer), so get the best available this year. Oglesby, White, Guerrero and Carter/Miller/Hubbard would be an upgrade in recruiting and to the roster. I'd take that class in a heartbeat.
Deal with the 5 next year using a combination of 3-4 guys playing fewer minutes each and get the most out of them. If you need defense/bangers/rebounding, use Brommer/Archie. If you need scoring use White or slide Mel over and play White at the 4. Unless there's a quality big at a JUCO they could get, any FR is going to have match up problems for a big chunk of the season anyway. The biggest problem with possibly not getting a big this year isn't next season, it's the following year. You'd go into the 2012 season with only 2 bigs with any experience, even assuming they get Meyer and Woodbury, that's not a great thing. Then those two would almost be forced into playing significant minutes, even if they aren't fully ready.
The players with a scholarship are - Cole(graduating), Cartwright, Gatens, Brommer, Archie, May, Payne, Marble, McCabe and Basabe. All of the other players are currently walk-ons. With Cole graduating and Oglesby and White already signed, that leaves two scholarships to fill for next year. I suppose there could be another one opening, but judging by Fran's comments, everyone that can be back will be.
All of that being said, I'd be thrilled if they got Guerrero and Carter(or other athletic guard/wing player). Just get the best players he can. My preference would be to get a big, but like Fran alluded to, if they best available are a 1 and 2 or 3, then get them. It's seeming like there's a good chance of getting two bigs for 2012 anyway (Woodbury and Meyer), so get the best available this year. Oglesby, White, Guerrero and Carter/Miller/Hubbard would be an upgrade in recruiting and to the roster. I'd take that class in a heartbeat.
Deal with the 5 next year using a combination of 3-4 guys playing fewer minutes each and get the most out of them. If you need defense/bangers/rebounding, use Brommer/Archie. If you need scoring use White or slide Mel over and play White at the 4. Unless there's a quality big at a JUCO they could get, any FR is going to have match up problems for a big chunk of the season anyway. The biggest problem with possibly not getting a big this year isn't next season, it's the following year. You'd go into the 2012 season with only 2 bigs with any experience, even assuming they get Meyer and Woodbury, that's not a great thing. Then those two would almost be forced into playing significant minutes, even if they aren't fully ready.
HawkPhreek
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Just beat the best big our league. Need athletic scorers.
tm3308
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I agree. He could maybe eventually play the 4 (when he fills out), like Hayward did at Butler. But as a freshman, I don't see it unless it's in a small ball rotation.
If Fran signs both Guerrero and Hubbard, we'll have some current players who will have to get used to significantly smaller roles. I base this on the assumption that Fran would not be actively pursuing Hubbard unless he thought Hubbard was better than what we currently have. You'll have 3 point guards, four if you include Marble. For the two and three positions, you'll have Gatens, May, Hubbard, Marble, Oglesby, McCabe, and possibly White. Plus, I'm guessing that we'd see occasions with both Cartwright and Guerrero on the court at the same time.
Bottom line is that May, Gatens, Marble and McCabe better have great off-seasons or they could find themselves on the outside looking in.
Bottom line is that May, Gatens, Marble and McCabe better have great off-seasons or they could find themselves on the outside looking in.
If you figure 80 minutes to split between the 4 and 5 spots, I wouldn't be surprised to see a breakdown similar to the following.
Basabe - 30 minutes
Brommer - 22-25 minutes
Archie - 12-15 minutes
White - 8 minutes
Stokes - the rest (roughly 5 minutes)
I don't think you'd see a huge drop in production, if any, in the bigs from the current year. That's assuming they all improve to varying degrees. With added production on the wings, and the B1G as a whole taking a step (albeit small) back, that should be enough for a good improvement in record.
As for White, I'd guess he'd get 16-20 minutes per game next year, with the split somewhat favoring the 3 spot, but playing some down low. I could live with that.
As I said before, if they don't bring in a big (particularly a JUCO big), that hurts more the following year than next year. Especially given the known options that he's currently recruiting. If they got, say Olaseni, he'd probably take Whites minutes, not Archie or Brommer's. That's all changed if they got (or could have gotten) a JUCO big that could step in and play 25 minutes per. I'm just not sure there are many choice for HS bigs that could step in and do that, Katenda maybe, the others, ???.
See that's the thing. I think people are overvaluing Archie and Brommer in a big way right now. Brommer played 3 minutes and had 4 fouls last game, but now he will have to play Cole like minutes. Archie is still a complete project which is not good for someone who should be graduating in the spring. Those two would be struggling in the Valley.
I just realized I completely forgot McCabe. I edited the numbers to show him there also. Sorry.
masoncityhawkeye
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Exactly
Why anyone thinks Archie will compete next year is beyond me. If he is 15-20 mins a game we are in big trouble. Brommer should be no where near the starting lineup. A good guy to bring in for 5-10 mins a game at most.
And where is the player that will beat either of them out going to magically appear from? The only JUCO big that I've heard anything about recently is Cougill, and it appears he's a fallback option at best. Given Fran's comment yesterday, it appears he's perfectly willing to take the best available, which may or may not include a big. And again, from his comments, I'd bet it won't include a big. If it doesn't, who starts at the 5? Brommer is the best option that we know will be on the team next year, will Archie the next best. I do agree that White probably won't be up for 25 minutes per game at the 4, so who else is there. Does anyone really think Stokes, who isn't on scholarship, will be the best option?
The reason I think Brommer and Archie will compete for the starting spot isn't because they'll be great, but because they could be the best available options. I also think they can survive with them, if they upgrade other positions.
If Brommer and Archie are going to be competing for the 5 position, then that means Iowa will play very little 5. Brommer will not be able to stay on the court and Archie is too much of a liability because of his free throws.
I expect the team will look at bit like the Illinois team with Kendall Gill. That team was made up of a bunch of guys between 6'5-6'7, but they all boarded with everything they had. Wasn't yet a resident of the midwest and didn't know anything about Iowa basketball, so I don't feel bad saying that was one of the most entertaining teams I ever watched play.
I expect the team will look at bit like the Illinois team with Kendall Gill. That team was made up of a bunch of guys between 6'5-6'7, but they all boarded with everything they had. Wasn't yet a resident of the midwest and didn't know anything about Iowa basketball, so I don't feel bad saying that was one of the most entertaining teams I ever watched play.
They did get by with a bunch of guys that were 6'6'' or 6'7'',but the difference is that they were NBA athletes. Gill,Anderson,Bardo,Thomas and Lowell Hamilton all played in the NBA...and were pure jumping jacks. Iowa really has no one at their level athletically,imo.
If Fran does not get a big, I will continue to trust his decision that he could not get anyone worth the scholly,and is confident he can get by with Brommer and Archie in the post,but I would feel better with a strong juco big man to bridge us to 2013.
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homes
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Archie ought to learn to shoot FTs underhanded, a la Rick Barry. No joke. I bet he'd double his percentage.
Oh, don't get me wrong. I am not saying Iowa could match that team. What I am saying is if they go out and get a couple more athletic players they might be able to play a similar style ball. Do they have the athletes now? No way. But if you could go out and find 2 or three more to go with Basabe, White, and Cartwright, you might have a pretty fun team to watch.
Still don't know at all about Marble. Might not be until his JR year before it becomes evident what kind of player he will become.
So you are essentially prophesying that we won't know what type of player Marble will become until he becomes that player? That's right on par with Nostrafreakindamus. Thanks, Yogi.
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