Josh Oglesby

[UweBlab]

1) We haven't even seen that from him.
2) Rarely going to get that kind of space in the B1G.

I agree with this. No luxury of having that much space. Sounds like he is great practice shooter but cant translate the confidence to the games. He has had plenty of opportunities. Time for him to sit unless he can start moving without the ball and shooting off screens, ala Steve Alford or Mark Price.

 

[tm3308]

Marble is a legacy guy connected to the U of I. Lick's best recruit of the bunch. The only sensible one out of that class that could really blossom. McCabe is a guy that can give you minutes here and there, but is not "Flint, Michigan" caliber. And, Marble still has a lot prove to fill his "NBA shoes" like his dad and him talked about.

May is an athletic Rudy at Iowa.

The Lick left overs are certainly not all world.

Again, I don't think it was a given he would come here. IIRC, a bad Iowa program was his best offer.

 

[sportstalent]

Again, I don't think it was a given he would come here. IIRC, a bad Iowa program was his best offer.

You are correct, it was his best offer and Fran had to go through the process with him when he was hired. It was not a given he was coming to Iowa and he also took some time in between Fran visiting him and when he announced he was still coming to Iowa.

Marble did not have a lot of offers, but he committed to Iowa early and had a great senior year, I think a lot of teams would have been after him if he would have rescinded his Iowa LOI.

 

[ajk4st8]

Last year Josh was 14-20 in blowout losses to indiana, msu, and creighton. No pressure and playing against back ups.
The rest of the year he was 31-101 from 3.

This year most every game has been close and his numbers mimic those of last year.

 

[GhostofBTT]

Iowa needs to be more Flint, Michigan and less borderline Lickliter left-overs and non-athletic and slow Iowa farm boy shooters.....unless they can really shoot the ball when it matters.

When Iowa starts looking like Michigan St, you will know they have really arrived. Hopefully Fran can build his freshman recruiting class (Woodbury/Gessell) around some ballers in the future.

What exactly does a Flint, Michigan player bring that a Cedar Rapids, Iowa player couldn't. Also, please give me the address of the Oglesby's farm so I can create crop circles on it.

 

[sportstalent]

Marble is a legacy guy connected to the U of I. Lick's best recruit of the bunch. The only sensible one out of that class that could really blossom. McCabe is a guy that can give you minutes here and there, but is not "Flint, Michigan" caliber. And, Marble still has a lot prove to fill his "NBA shoes" like his dad and him talked about.

May is an athletic Rudy at Iowa.

The Lick left overs are certainly not all world.

The younger Marble didn't come from Flint, he is from Southfield-Lathrup, so what is "Flint, Michigan" caliber anyway, what is the last great player to come out of that area?

 

[HaydenHawk56]

In other words, not just "Flint, Michigan" (insert whatever adjective you want to describe getting big time recruits, from big time areas.....although Flint, Michigan might not have been the best adjective to describe a large populated area). There is a big difference between 4A (I guess they call it 5A now for the bigger schools in Iowa) High School basketball teams playing against each other, versus 8A basketball schools like in Chicago, Illinois.

Also, put our best basketball school in Iowa, let's say Iowa City West, and have them play against teams like Monterde Academy in Florida, Whitney Young in Chicago Illinois, or St. Anthony of Jersey City, NJ. Your going to find men among boys in these games.

Iowa City West would get beat down just like Iowa got beat down against Michigan against these teams.

You want to be the best, you got to recruit some of these type of players to come here. It is not that we can't get players to come out of Iowa (we clearly do and of late have produced some good talent) but our Iowa guys don't go against the highly talented urban project kids night in and night out.

 

[theboat]

Flint, Michigan recruits. Translation= black players.


We wouldn't have a PG on the floor that couldn't dribble the ball, why do we have a shooter that can't make any?

 

[SpecialKHawk]

Many of you have said this so I am reiterating. The fact is for whatever reason the kid is not getting it done and it's the one and only thing we need from him. He looks disinterested at times, is passing up open looks and does not move well without the ball(off screens, etc.). Maybe it's a confidence issue like many said or he just cannot handle the pressure of big time ball?

I think after the season, Fran and crew need to have a long conversation about how he fits into this program. I had high hopes that he would bring shooting to this program but it is not happening, especially this year.

Fran and crew also need to put a high priority on getting a the best 3 point shooter they can going forward. We have just about everything else but this. If we had it this year, we would definitely being going to the tournament as the lack of this aspect in many of our toughest games has really hurt us. It's prevented us for going on bigger scoring runs and knocking out an opponent when we had them on the ropes. Hopefully Jok will bring this to the program in the future.

 

[sportstalent]

Many of you have said this so I am reiterating. The fact is for whatever reason the kid is not getting it done and it's the one and only thing we need from him. He looks disinterested at times, is passing up open looks and does not move well without the ball(off screens, etc.). Maybe it's a confidence issue like many said or he just cannot handle the pressure of big time ball?

I think after the season, Fran and crew need to have a long conversation about how he fits into this program. I had high hopes that he would bring shooting to this program but it is not happening, especially this year.

Fran and crew also need to put a high priority on getting a the best 3 point shooter they can going forward. We have just about everything else but this. If we had it this year, we would definitely being going to the tournament as the lack of this aspect in many of our toughest games has really hurt us. It's prevented us for going on bigger scoring runs and knocking out an opponent when we had them on the ropes. Hopefully Jok will bring this to the program in the future.

I think it is funny how Oglesby has taken over the lightning rod for Gatens, the torch has been passed.

It is hilarious that you think the one and only thing Iowa needs from him is 3-pt shooting because they actually need 3-pt shooting from about three other players as well, just as everything else they have to offer.

Oglesby is a sophomore and is having a rough shooting year, but when he goes on the floor he really doesn't hurt Iowa in any areas. Pushing players out is not exactly what I see Fran doing, if he transfers, I will be surprised by.

The guys playing ahead of him deserve it and actually, I think it is going to be difficult to put Clemmons/Gesell on the bench and insert a new starter. Maybe Uthoff can come in, but who do you bench of the two, it isn't like neither has proven they aren't worthy of their starting position?

There are multiple players on the roster capable of hitting 3's, not just Oglesby, those all who are capable need to step up. If you are resting all your hopes on one guy to hit 3's, like most of Gatens' career, it means Iowa is in trouble.

 

[HaydenHawk56]

"Oglesby is a sophomore and is having a rough shooting year, but when he goes on the floor he really doesn't hurt Iowa in any areas."

Are you serious Clark about the "doesn't really hurt Iowa in any areas."

 

[sportstalent]

"Oglesby is a sophomore and is having a rough shooting year, but when he goes on the floor he really doesn't hurt Iowa in any areas."

Are you serious Clark about the "doesn't really hurt Iowa in any areas."

Should have said "other areas"

Where does he hurt Iowa, honestly?

He plays solid defense, is a good passer and rarely forces things on offense.

Is he outstanding in any one area, no, but he certainly isn't hurting Iowa by being on the floor, he is brought up because he isn't hitting 3's plain and simple.

 

[HaydenHawk56]

Well, in Fran's half-court game, if he can't hit his shots (and he is suppose to be the preferred outside shooting specialist), he does hurt Iowa's half-court game. If team's don't respect his shooting, then his defender can sag off some....heck the defense can just drop back in zone and say go ahead and shoot. Might as well put in a slasher who can get to the rim and play defense than play a one trick pony that can't hit water from the ocean.

Honestly I think the problem with JO is part him and he may not fit the system he is playing in. Fran says he gives him the green light to shoot the ball, but yet he is so hesitant and slow to get his shots off. I suppose it could be a confidence thing, who knows.

 

[MeatMan]

i was a below average shooter, yet had no problem/hesitancy taking shots. not sure what JO's problem is.

 

[tm3308]

I think it is funny how Oglesby has taken over the lightning rod for Gatens, the torch has been passed.

It is hilarious that you think the one and only thing Iowa needs from him is 3-pt shooting because they actually need 3-pt shooting from about three other players as well, just as everything else they have to offer.

Oglesby is a sophomore and is having a rough shooting year, but when he goes on the floor he really doesn't hurt Iowa in any areas. Pushing players out is not exactly what I see Fran doing, if he transfers, I will be surprised by.

The guys playing ahead of him deserve it and actually, I think it is going to be difficult to put Clemmons/Gesell on the bench and insert a new starter. Maybe Uthoff can come in, but who do you bench of the two, it isn't like neither has proven they aren't worthy of their starting position?

There are multiple players on the roster capable of hitting 3's, not just Oglesby, those all who are capable need to step up. If you are resting all your hopes on one guy to hit 3's, like most of Gatens' career, it means Iowa is in trouble.

The difference between Oglesby and the others who need to step up their game from the perimeter is that he was specifically billed as the team's go-to 3-point shooter. That's his role on this team, the one thing he's supposed to do very well. He's not bad in any other area, but he does hurt the offense with his inability to hit threes and his inability to hit any other shot, either.

Marble could stand to shoot better from behind the arc. But he also can finish near the rim, has a pretty solid pull up game, and gets to the free throw line.

Gesell's pull up game is money, and he can also set guys up (although he does make freshman mistakes).

McCabe has struggled, too, but he brings a toughness to the team inside that they need. And, hopefully, last night's performance is a sign that he's out of his funk.

Josh doesn't hurt the team in most areas, but as someone mentioned, there's a reason he's the only one who had a negative +/- in the OOC schedule. The other areas he doesn't hurt the team in don't bring enough value to cancel out his poor shooting.

 

[sportstalent]

The difference between Oglesby and the others who need to step up their game from the perimeter is that he was specifically billed as the team's go-to 3-point shooter. That's his role on this team, the one thing he's supposed to do very well. He's not bad in any other area, but he does hurt the offense with his inability to hit threes and his inability to hit any other shot, either.

Marble could stand to shoot better from behind the arc. But he also can finish near the rim, has a pretty solid pull up game, and gets to the free throw line.

Gesell's pull up game is money, and he can also set guys up (although he does make freshman mistakes).

McCabe has struggled, too, but he brings a toughness to the team inside that they need. And, hopefully, last night's performance is a sign that he's out of his funk.

Josh doesn't hurt the team in most areas, but as someone mentioned, there's a reason he's the only one who had a negative +/- in the OOC schedule. The other areas he doesn't hurt the team in don't bring enough value to cancel out his poor shooting.

I understand and agree with what you are saying, but there is no need to continue to focus on Oglesby when other shooters on the team take as many or more 3's and can't hit them either.

What it shows me is that Iowa needs to focus more on the inside game, ball movement and the mid-range game.

No team should respect Iowa as a team from 3-pt range, not just Oglesby.

So, are people focused on him so much because they believe he can make all the difference from being 0-3 to being 2-1, if so that is delusional.

Iowa's problems are far bigger than one player, just like Gatens' first three and a half years on campus.

If Oglesby is that much of a difference maker for Iowa, why wouldn't he play more?

It is to the point when I see Oglesby/Olaseni threads I want to see them deleted like with Cougill threads.

Also, there are no freshman mistakes, just mistakes.

 

[HaydenHawk56]

I agree with you here sportstalent. JO is not the only problem that needs shored up. He is getting picked on because he is one of the more obvious problems to the casual viewer on this team.

May, McCabe, Oglesby, and Olaseni would be great to have on your team as grey team members, maybe a little more than that for McCabe. However, these guys contribute role player minutes that would be best served by xyz player that we all wish we could have here.....ya those "Flint, Michigan" or "Chicago, Illinois" prototype ballers and shooters.

Imagine Marble, Gessell, Woody, White, Clemmons, Basebe, with Meyer, Jok, Uthoff coming next year and adding a couple of freshman man childs from the projects to this team. 1-2 years if Fran can land the big fishes out of state in the urban areas, Iowa is going to be a serious contender (assuming no deflections or major injuries).

Until then we are stuck with players not suited for heavy Big Ten minutes and youth. That said, if we get .500 in this league with our roster, would be wonderful for this program this year.

 

[tm3308]

I agree with you here sportstalent. JO is not the only problem that needs shored up. He is getting picked on because he is one of the more obvious problems to the casual viewer on this team.

May, McCabe, Oglesby, and Olaseni would be great to have on your team as grey team members, maybe a little more than that for McCabe. However, these guys contribute role player minutes that would be best served by xyz player that we all wish we could have here.....ya those "Flint, Michigan" or "Chicago, Illinois" prototype ballers and shooters.

Imagine Marble, Gessell, Woody, White, Clemmons, Basebe, with Meyer, Jok, Uthoff coming next year and adding a couple of freshman man childs from the projects to this team. 1-2 years if Fran can land the big fishes out of state in the urban areas, Iowa is going to be a serious contender (assuming no deflections or major injuries).

Until then we are stuck with players not suited for heavy Big Ten minutes and youth. That said, if we get .500 in this league with our roster, would be wonderful for this program this year.

So much insensitivity in this post.

 

[HaydenHawk56]

"So much insensitivity in this post."

Truth hurts. God bless them, but JO, McCabe, May, Olaseni are not elite Big Ten players. They are not the guys you need to win titles in games. They are good practice team players for elite players to practice against.

I mean, JO lights it up in practice.

 

[MJSCK]

So much insensitivity in this post.

Josh has not been lighting it up and needs some work, obviously. Give him some time.

You guys are being pretty harsh, though. You forget that Josh was one of the first in-state Fran recruits who chose the Hawks over Illinois after having a great camp there where they raved over him. When he announced, he started a trend for in-state guys to stay at home, making a statement to the effect that loyalty mattered and he wanted to be a part of the rebuilding.

If you don't get Oglesby, there's a good chance you don't get Woodbury and certainly not Uthoff. Give the kid a break. Let him work through this.