John Deere moving some operations from Waterloo to Mexico

Great news for the Biden and Clinton supporters. Another big win for NAFTA and the Democrats who passed it! They support the working man!

John Deere is moving its tractor cab production from Waterloo to Mexico (msn.com)

Well if you can believe the Deere press release they are saying there is a very tight labor market around Waterloo so it seems they needed to hire more people. Not sure if that is the real reason or if it just Deere trying to save money on wages. Deere says they are going to produce other products in Waterloo so let's wait and see if that is the case and perhaps no net jobs will be lost in Iowa.

Dont jump the gun on your thinking. Or I should say you are trying to put the onus on two presidents who did not make the decision of so many companies to ship their jobs overseas and across borders. I am not a NAFTA expert but in the end maybe nafta was a overall win for US consumers. Tell me about it.

And what is the history of Nafta?
 
Well if you can believe the Deere press release they are saying there is a very tight labor market around Waterloo so it seems they needed to hire more people. Not sure if that is the real reason or if it just Deere trying to save money on wages. Deere says they are going to produce other products in Waterloo so let's wait and see if that is the case and perhaps no net jobs will be lost in Iowa.

Dont jump the gun on your thinking. Or I should say you are trying to put the onus on two presidents who did not make the decision of so many companies to ship their jobs overseas and across borders. I am not a NAFTA expert but in the end maybe nafta was a overall win for US consumers. Tell me about it.

And what is the history of Nafta?

You must be too young to remember when Plugs was a Senator from Delaware who voted Yea on NAFTA. You probably don't remember H. Ross Perot's famous "giant sucking sound" quote from the '92 campaign either. I guess no one could have seen this coming.
 
Great news for the Biden and Clinton supporters. Another big win for NAFTA and the Democrats who passed it! They support the working man!

John Deere is moving its tractor cab production from Waterloo to Mexico (msn.com)

Oh and by the way your boy trump the dumpster pushed to do away with nafta which if you remember is now the USMCA. Are you saying Biden now reinstated Nafta?

On September 30, 2018, the day of the deadline for the Canada–U.S. negotiations, a preliminary deal between the two countries was reached, thus preserving the trilateral pact when the Trump administration submits the agreement before Congress.[148] The new name for the agreement was the "United States—Mexico—Canada Agreement" (USMCA) and came into effect on July 1, 2020.[149][150]
 
You must be too young to remember when Plugs was a Senator from Delaware who voted Yea on NAFTA. You probably don't remember H. Ross Perot's famous "giant sucking sound" quote from the '92 campaign either. I guess no one could have seen this coming.

You are so stupid to think one senator like Biden in 1992 set the US up for a hugely bad trade pact. Nafta opened borders, increased markets and numbers of consumers, etc etc that many economists thought were good ideas. It is noted that Mexico has become more democratic because of nafta opening up borders.

Oh but you just loved the dumpsters world wide tariffs which totally slowed the economy and hurt our farm industry as China just ran to other countries to buy their corn and soybeans.
 
You are so stupid to think one senator like Biden in 1992 set the US up for a hugely bad trade pact. Nafta opened borders, increased markets and numbers of consumers, etc etc that many economists thought were good ideas. It is noted that Mexico has become more democratic because of nafta opening up borders.

Oh but you just loved the dumpsters world wide tariffs which totally slowed the economy and hurt our farm industry as China just ran to other countries to buy their corn and soybeans.

"Many economists" were parroting Milton Friedman, who essentially said "you don't need factories, just mothball the existing ones and if there's a crisis start them back up." Guess what. Nothing was mothballed and the know-how necessary to run a factory disappears as soon as you close the doors. The United States is completely and totally subservient to China because of this shit. China is now what the US was in 1940, the absolutely dominant manufacturer who can parlay that into substantial geopolitical power. Well, I guess we can always build a few more prisons to match the ones in Fort Dodge and Newton as economic development.

You seen a chart on corn lately? I think the farmers will be just fine.
 
"Many economists" were parroting Milton Friedman, who essentially said "you don't need factories, just mothball the existing ones and if there's a crisis start them back up." Guess what. Nothing was mothballed and the know-how necessary to run a factory disappears as soon as you close the doors. The United States is completely and totally subservient to China because of this shit. China is now what the US was in 1940, the absolutely dominant manufacturer who can parlay that into substantial geopolitical power. Well, I guess we can always build a few more prisons to match the ones in Fort Dodge and Newton as economic development.

You seen a chart on corn lately? I think the farmers will be just fine.

The farmers will always be fine because even after dumpsters tariffs hurt them the dumpster gave them about 30 billion dollars. And you know how that was worked by the rich, the big farmers put every family member on their loan applications and got millions and millions . Farmers are socialist money grubbers who have to have every protection under the sun, or rain.

I agree, this country is fucked. There is so much wealth but it is just sitting there not doing anything. And there are a lot of younger people who do not want to work. I guess they would rather get some handouts and drive a pizza delivery car, although I am not trying to say there is anything wrong with that. But we keep reading about a shortage of semi drivers which can be well paying, a shortage of skilled tradespeople which can be good money with a pension.

I will say this, there is only one true source of good american jobs and businesses going out of the country and that are the decisions by business owners, upper management, and shareholders. They made these decisions and they did it for greed, many times so they could get 90 cents a share rather than 74 cents a share and pay their workers a little more.

You know who are the union busters in this country and they sent jobs overseas to bust unions also.

So dont bitch about a couple of democratic presidents as much of the policy to help businesses go overseas is started by and shared by republicans who let the tax code be so lenient on overseas profits.
 
Trump didnt do one thing he said he would do; he certainly didnt help the working class and poor people like he promised. Instead he let congressional republicans write a terrible tax bill to give a huge part of tax cuts to the wealthy and lowered corporate profits to absurdly low amounts as well as capital gains tax cuts. That tax cut is the only thing republicans accomplished with their own president in 2 years. Trump had infrastructure week every week but nothing, as the only thing trump had was a bunch of crooks like himself in his cabinet. What a bunch of lowlife scoundrels starting with Wilbur Ross and going all the way down the line. Wilbur Ross, the billionaire who purposely fucked up the Census (for political reasons of course) which has always ran pretty smoothly.

One of the main problems in this country is 40 years of reagonomics by republicans that have increased the wealth of the top 1-5% from about 5% of overall wealth to close to 25%. If working class people got paid better they would buy actual basic needs and want type goods instead of hoarding money like the super rich. A few years ago the total personal wealth in the US was $86 trillion and it might be $90 trillion or over now. And all those poor to lower middle class dumb fucks that vote against their interests and wallets by soaking in the supply side kool aid. I really dont think of them as dumb fucks but call them that because of the way they vote. Stupid.

The republicans have been busting good paying unions and blocking increases in the minimun wage for decades yet poor people just keep drinking the 2nd amendment hypnosis, and breathe in the wedge issues that really actually hurt them.
 
You know who are the union busters in this country and they sent jobs overseas to bust unions also.

Lulz, a Uniparty Team Blue member, I see. The Uniparty are union busters. Both sides. In 1992, there was one choice, the non Uniparty guy. You vote for Pappy Bush you got NAFTA. You vote for Bill Clinton you got NAFTA.

Are you old enough to remember when Democrats were against immigration? The old school guys in the labor movement understood the implications of low skilled immigration. When I was a kid a job at the packing house was a good union job that paid in nominal terms more than it pays now. In real terms it probably paid 6 figures on an inflation adjusted basis. You can only break a union if you have scabs who will work. We got them, the immigrants.

Hell, large elements of the left were against immigration on environmental grounds because if you want to slow down emissions globally, the best way is to curtail population growth in the cold ass northern hemisphere like the US and Europe. But now that is verboten to mention.

Both the Democrats and Republicans paid massive lip service to immigration for years and did nothing. The men who really run the country demand an ever growing consumer market and labor pool.

I said it on another thread, the massive inflation of the '70's probably never stopped, it went down a bit, but all that happened was production costs were slashed to the bone using immigrant labor or offshoring and we have picked the low hanging fruit, hence the inflation is back. At the end of the day, the American consumer voted with his wallet as well. They wanted cheap shit. They got it. Until they didn't.
 
Trump didnt do one thing he said he would do; he certainly didnt help the working class and poor people like he promised. Instead he let congressional republicans write a terrible tax bill to give a huge part of tax cuts to the wealthy and lowered corporate profits to absurdly low amounts as well as capital gains tax cuts. That tax cut is the only thing republicans accomplished with their own president in 2 years. Trump had infrastructure week every week but nothing, as the only thing trump had was a bunch of crooks like himself in his cabinet. What a bunch of lowlife scoundrels starting with Wilbur Ross and going all the way down the line. Wilbur Ross, the billionaire who purposely fucked up the Census (for political reasons of course) which has always ran pretty smoothly.

Yeah, thankfully the guy in there has followed through. When he said energy prices would go up, he wasn't lying. Thank F I listened to him and got into oil stocks in 2020 or my portfolio would be shredded.
 
As a Waterloo resident, today I'm wearing my "Juan Deere" tshirt, complete with Deere colors and lettering, altho it replaces the Deere 'jumping deer' insignia with a burro.
 

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