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Jeff Brohm
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deanvogs
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Rob you can't have, nor do you want to have 6 strong programs in one division. Heck even look at the East, it is tough to have 4 good teams, the other 3 suck and that doesn't hurt those guys.
If we had a 3 headed monster of Iowa, Nebraska and Wisconsin as 10+ win teams a year it wouldn't matter one bit if the other 4 teams in the West sucked or not.
hawkeyes87
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You guys happy about this have reeeeeally been cheering for a KF team too long!
I agree w/ Rob- rather see the West rise up.
I agree w/ Rob- rather see the West rise up.
deanvogs
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This is exactly it, and this is why I have been harping on the 4 team playoff as constructed for years now. Replace Iowa with Minnesota, or Illinois, or Purdue or any other non name brand team. You have to be a FULL GAME better than a name brand program to beat them out in the current system for a playoff spot.
HaydenHawk56
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This is good news for Iowa. Reading through this thread, even if there were all bad coaches in the West and bad programs, if Iowa went 13-0 (likely beating a respected East opponent) they are highly likely not being left out of the playoffs. Hopefully, Purdue makes a poor hire that helps us out.
Again, this is good news for Iowa. I have to admit, it would also be good news in Ames if Campbell Soup takes his show somewhere else as well. As long as it is status quo at the U of I, we can use all the help we can get.
Again, this is good news for Iowa. I have to admit, it would also be good news in Ames if Campbell Soup takes his show somewhere else as well. As long as it is status quo at the U of I, we can use all the help we can get.
okeefe4prez
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Roger that, was just attempting to clarify what infraction I committed, but I think I must have posted the uncropped version of that picture and I apologize.
Anything about your mood you want to talk about? I'm not much of a conversationalist, but I'm a good listener if you need to vent. No sense in keeping stuff bottled up. If there's anything we can do to cheer you up, please let us know.
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RobHowe
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The Big Ten West simply needs to be better and raise its profile not be in competition with the ACC Coastal for worst P5 division. We don't know that Wisconsin will rebound next year or if Nebraska will ascend. Who knows what happens at Illinois or Minnesota? Losing good coaches like Brohm is not good for the league or the division.
Every time. Every single time there is no debate to it. You can almost take away whatever all their SOSs are. I'm not sure those committee members would look any further than the name of the jersey. It's program prestige and television ratings driving this train.
okeefe4prez
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Clemson will in all likelihood go undefeated. Their schedule is hot garbage. I honestly don't think it matters how bad your schedule is if you go undefeated in a P5.
NikeHawk21
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You have to have a realistic target. For me Iowa’s goal every year should be to win the west and go to Indy. If that occasionally gets us in the playoff conversation that’s great, but that’s not really a realistic bar to have on a yearly basis. An 8 team playoff might be a different story. I know we almost made it that one year, but look what Stanford did to us, imagine Bama.
Brohm leaving gives Iowa a better chance to win the west and go to Indy. Like it or not the media is always going to downplay the B1G and especially the B1G west with the “powers” on the other side. I’m more than okay with Brohm leaving and Purdue sucking again.
Brohm leaving gives Iowa a better chance to win the west and go to Indy. Like it or not the media is always going to downplay the B1G and especially the B1G west with the “powers” on the other side. I’m more than okay with Brohm leaving and Purdue sucking again.
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RobHowe
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It's really, really hard to go undefeated. If you play in a strong division, you get some wiggle room such as Michigan State in 2015. Sparty lost a game and still finished third in the CFP rankings. Ohio State got in with one loss the next year.
okeefe4prez
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Agreed, and that is the bar for Iowa to get in. 13-0. Maybe, maybe 12-1 does it if Iowa draws a ridiculous crossover schedule and loses in September in Ann Arbor on a botched extra point or something.
okeefe4prez
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Agreed. But my thought is that perception is going to take a good 10 years to turn around. Wisconsin would have to stay good. Nebraska would have to get back to 9+ wins a year. And Purdue would have to be really good. Even if that happened, I don't know that anyone would perceive the B1G West as strong. At least in the SEC East, you have Tennessee, Florida and Georgia and if those teams get good, they have a lot of history that makes people think the division is strong. There's just no brand cache in the Big Ten West. None. It's almost as laughable as the old Big Twelve North. Not quite, but it's close.
HaydenHawk56
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Yep, and ultimately, do we want the Big Ten West to succeed, or do we want Iowa to succeed? Iowa does not win the West if Wisconsin is good, Nebraska is good, Purdue is good, Northwestern is good, etc. It is an arms race and you can't all be good at the same time. Heck, Iowa can't even consistently win out when they have weak schedules like they have this year.
Iowa needs all the help it can get and even that is not even enough for making consistent runs at the playoffs. We start risking having losing seasons if we start falling to the 4th or 5th place team in our division if the West starts to become Wicked.
So, losing Brohm is better for us to get a date to the Prom.
hawkdrummer1
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seemed like that, didn't it?
If anything I feel the west has been pretty darn good this yr compared to recent yrs. Northwestern, Wisky, Purdue all are on solid footing (minus Brohms now leaving) Iowa as ugly as this 3 game stretch has been isn't bad. That's 4 solid teams in the west stretching it much more than that is asking a lot. Neb will get better they have nowhere to go but up. MN I think will too as young as they are. Every conference has a cellar dweller and that's Illinois..
Iowa I'm afraid is always on that fence of going to either extreme. Potentially we can have a monster year or lay eggs all the way through. This year we are pretty much in the middle but potentially we could lose out and holy crap how would that look?...
99topdawg
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In 2009, when Iowa won the Orange Bowl, they played 3 ranked teams (bowl game included), they following year, Iowa played 6 ranked teams. What does everyone remember? They were good in '09 and disappointing in '10. I'll take the easy schedule and the wins. I've always said, if the biggest complaints at the end of the year is that Iowa didn't get to the CFP because they played a weak schedule, I'll take it.
tweeterhawk
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What’s your bill now to listen? $300/hour? More? What do you charge if you even think about the conversation?
Asking for a friend.
I just can't be one of those guys that roots for other schools. I can't root for rivals. Even if ISU winning benefits us I don't root for that. We are competing to be better than them and them winning enhances them individually obviously. So as far as I'm concerned I want every team in the BIG west to lose at least one more game than we do. Period. That's only happened once recently but that's what I want. If your only losing 1 game or less there's no sweating what happens with the others so much. But if your losing 2 or 3 it becomes a you thing and I could care less about the other teams doing well or how they look if we stink ourselves.
