Jake Gervase on Mississippi State Talking Crap

MelroseHawkins said:
Did they though....? or are you and others just buying into the media propaganda? Is it just me or is there anybody else who really did not see a speed advantage, or superior physical advantage. Miss St. players came off to me as a bunch of thugs. Iowa kept their composure.

It's not like Iowa was undersized, less physical or less athletic. I don't even know why Miss St. was favored by so much. I've always viewed Miss. St. as a mediocre SEC team. Yes, they are in the SEC, but they sure are not a Alabama, LSU or Florida. I don't know why they had so much cred. Iowa is a very solid BIG team so I always thought the two teams would be a good match-up and quite close.

This argument that the SEC has such better talent or speed usually turns out to be a bunch of crap. I didn't see it yesterday, that is for sure.
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Ummm...Mississippi State's run defense is as good as it gets. I really don't think there is a better run defense in the country. They did that to Iowa without committing 7-8 to the box like most teams. The out-Iowa'd Iowa in the reliance on the front four to control the line of scrimmage. They completely controlled the line of scrimmage and they were playing base defense most of the game...no cheating...that was impressive. They held Florida to 13 points, Alabama to 24 points...and went through the SEC allowing a total of 12. That's why they were favored, plus based on what happened to Purdue and Michigan against SEC teams in their bowl games.

To me, this entire game was decided by the fact that our offensive line was able to protect Stanley in the passing game. That was the key to this whole thing. The two TD's to Easley and the one to Smith Marsette were because Stanley was comfortable in the pocket and protected. I think they allowed two sacks and one was in the first series. The OL may be getting some criticism for the negative rushing yards...but they should be getting kudos for keeping Stanley clean most of the game.
 
That run defense may be as good as we face for the next few years as well, They were good, I'll give them credit, but they were trashy thugs. Great to get the win, score more on them than Bama did and throw 3 TD's passes. Great building block heading into Spring.
 
The best player on the field was Simmons, the MSU DT. After that, they had some first round talent, but so do we. They may have higher draft picks this year, but we have potentially 4 first rounders next year (A Nelson, AJE, Aleric and Tristan).

All of that to say, that Other than Simmons, the talent was pretty close to a wash, IMHO.

Hopefully Nixon can be that big ole Hoss in the middle of the line next year that can stop the run and get into the backfield on passing downs.
 
You could see it on TV early in the game they were giving Iowa a lot of verbal crap. And for that matter the announcers were acting like Iowa had no chance against the SEC.

Mississippi State's arrogance cost them the game. They have the skills but not the discipline. Penalties killed them in the first half. Iowa's turnovers in the third quarter brought them back into the game. But in the end they had one more turnover than Iowa. And they lost.
 
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Miss State players should just keep the fight on the field with their opponents. Not women...Right Simmons...
 

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ForeverHawk said:
That run defense may be as good as we face for the next few years as well, They were good, I'll give them credit, but they were trashy thugs. Great to get the win, score more on them than Bama did and throw 3 TD's passes. Great building block heading into Spring.
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Their run defense reminded me of 1985 Michigan. It was good. Michigan's was for the ages. They didn't give up a rushing TD that year until like their eighth or ninth game. And of course it took four field goals for us to beat them.
 
I never spoke a solitary word during a football game. Not once. Not a peep. I let the hitting speak for itself.

Talking shit at a children's hospital is about the most weakass thing I've ever heard. Dafuq
 
Northside Hawk said:
Their run defense reminded me of 1985 Michigan. It was good. Michigan's was for the ages. They didn't give up a rushing TD that year until like their eighth or ninth game. And of course it took four field goals for us to beat them.
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The endzone pass to Helverson that was ruled incomplete would have been ruled a touchdown in the instant replay era.
 
ThunderHawk said:
The endzone pass to Helverson that was ruled incomplete would have been ruled a touchdown in the instant replay era.
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Should have been obvious with the naked eye. And the game might have taken a different course. I think I know what happened. It rained all Friday night and Saturday morning and didn't let up until about two hours before kickoff. When Helverson dragged his foot it sent up a stream of water. The officials saw that and assumed the water was from the end line.

That pass was thrown into heavy traffic. But Chuck Long, even with his long low three quarter release that would doom his NFL career, could knock the sprinkles off an ice cream cone and not get the ball wet.

Helverson, meanwhile, was robbed two weeks in a row. The week before at Camp Randall, he had a TD passed dislodged when he collided with the goalpost. Wisconsin, who had a cheap athletic department pre Barry, still had the old double pedestal H-shaped goal posts that you see in Nile Kinnick footage. Most stadiums got rid of them by 1970. Wisconsin was one of the the last to still have them.

The goal posts Ron Hawley knocked down at Mich. State in 1982 were temporary posts made of balsa wood. It was senior day and the Spartans put up the temps and that's why they fell so easily.
 
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Northside Hawk said:
Should have been obvious with the naked eye. And the game might have taken a different course. I think I know what happened. It rained all Friday night and Saturday morning and didn't let up until about two hours before kickoff. When Helverson dragged his foot it sent up a stream of water. The officials saw that and assumed the water was from the end line.

That pass was thrown into heavy traffic. But Chuck Long, even with his long low three quarter release that would doom his NFL career, could knock the sprinkles off an ice cream cone and not get the ball wet.

Helverson, meanwhile, was robbed two weeks in a row. The week before at Camp Randall, he had a TD passed dislodged when he collided with the goalpost. Wisconsin, who had a cheap athletic department pre Barry, still had the old double pedestal H-shaped goal posts that you see in Nile Kinnick footage. Most stadiums got rid of them by 1970. Wisconsin was one of the the last to still have them.

The goal posts Ron Hawley knocked down at Mich. State in 1982 were temporary posts made of balsa wood. It was senior day and the Spartans put up the temps and that's why they fell so easily.
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"Helverson just got the wind knocked out of him; he's ok."

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MelroseHawkins said:
The run game for both teams was going to come out as a "push" that game. I told my wife and boys that it was going to come down to how well Stanley plays and found receivers. I knew Miss. St. QB and passing game wasn't that scary.

It was going to come down to how well Stanley could handle the pressure, get the ball out quick and hit his receivers. Everything else in the game was pretty much a push, as far as who had the advantage.
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I love your attitude. But this is simply inaccurate. -15 vs. +190 yard rushing totals. They could run the ball and we couldn't. They couldn't punch it into the endzone all that effectively. And I totally believe Iowa deserved to win. But let's not get carried away.

Our O Line was manhandled (and we still won). So when talking about physical "talent", you could start there. MSU's defensive speed was legit. Offensively, they weren't skillful enough, especially on the perimeter, to show off any speed. This isn't like a Florida, Bama, or Auburn team with the tools to let track-speed guys do damage. Their offense was built around a sneaky athletic running quarterback.
 
IowaTeddy said:
I love your attitude. But this is simply inaccurate. -15 vs. +190 yard rushing totals. They could run the ball and we couldn't. They couldn't punch it into the endzone all that effectively. And I totally believe Iowa deserved to win. But let's not get carried away.

Our O Line was manhandled (and we still won). So when talking about physical "talent", you could start there. MSU's defensive speed was legit. Offensively, they weren't skillful enough, especially on the perimeter, to show off any speed. This isn't like a Florida, Bama, or Auburn team with the tools to let track-speed guys do damage. Their offense was built around a sneaky athletic running quarterback.
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They were one-dimensional with their QB and he had 107 or so yards, mostly up the middle in between the 20's. There are many factors. Look at the number of missed tackles (many for loss) that Iowa had that would usually have during the regular season.

You are stating what happen after the fact and after the known outcome. I was stating what I thought the game was going to come down to prior to kick-off by what I knew of both teams. Yes, they got yards on the ground (mostly QB) but also Stanley and the passing game was the difference for Iowa.

Yes, it ended up that Miss St. had more rushing yards than Iowa. I don't think you understand the point of my post.
 
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