Jack Nunge

HawkGold said:
We disagree. It is not explosive. You can say that all day long. He is also guarded by Iowa high school players. Makes a big difference. Iowa large schools would struggle in Indiana or Illinois small school tourneys. That is based on lack of diversity and mostly....lack of games. Schools in surrounding states play 2x the games in a year than Iowa High Schools. AAU isn't the same. It's showcase and about individuals, not team work.
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So you're saying that teams in the states surrounding Iowa play 50+ games per year? I call bull. Not including the games included during their state tournament run, states allow from 20-25 games per year depending upon the state and sometimes count four team holiday tournaments as one game.

The Illinois state champion for the largest school classification was 25-5, for Wisconsin they were 24-4, for Minnesota they were 30-2, for South Dakota they were 22-3, for Nebraska they were 23-4 and for Missouri they were 25-2. And for Iowa? IC West was 23-3. So tell me, which of the surrounding states plays "2x the games in a year that Iowa High Schools"? (You can't even point to a state that plays 30 regular season games.) Oh, and Indiana (where Nunge is from in case you forgot) the state champ in the largest division was 24-5.
 
Knight78 said:
So you're saying that teams in the states surrounding Iowa play 50+ games per year? I call bull. Not including the games included during their state tournament run, states allow from 20-25 games per year depending upon the state and sometimes count four team holiday tournaments as one game.

The Illinois state champion for the largest school classification was 25-5, for Wisconsin they were 24-4, for Minnesota they were 30-2, for South Dakota they were 22-3, for Nebraska they were 23-4 and for Missouri they were 25-2. And for Iowa? IC West was 23-3. So tell me, which of the surrounding states plays "2x the games in a year that Iowa High Schools"? (You can't even point to a state that plays 30 regular season games.) Oh, and Indiana (where Nunge is from in case you forgot) the state champ in the largest division was 24-5.
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No matter what state Connor comes from he is an upgraded Williams. More confident, stronger, better IQ, better shot, better first step, better passing. Let's be honest. Williams was a fall back recruit. The idea was good but Williams is a late bloomer or a no bloomer at all. Connor on the other hand will be better than Williams is now on day 1. This is not a knock on Williams at all. I really like the kid and his loyalty to the team. He's going to stick around and try to help this team even though he knows he is only going to be a rotational player. That's a good kid in my book.
 
HawkGold said:
Outside of big guys, most Iowa HS players in the NBA came from transplants (but still Iowa). I do agree that if Iowa locked down in state talent and got a few TOP players out of state they'd be hard to beat. Every state better than Iowa...didn't say that. Illinois/Indiana and probably MO in the bigger cities....yes they are better. Iowa just doesn't have that many big schools. Even the mid range size in Indiana and IL are bigger than all but a few in Iowa. Other states when to larger schools years ago.

If you haven't done so, you should go to some Holiday Tourneys in the states I mentioned. I think you would be surprised at what you see. I do know Illinois allows quite a few summer league games as teams as well and practices. It makes a big difference. Iowa can do well with Iowa kids. They aren't going to get many 4 star guards out of Iowa. Just isn't going to happen.
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Are you talking right now? Harrison Barnes, Doug McDermott, Jarrod Uthoff, Marcus Paige, Nick Collison and Kirk Hinrich are all born and bred Iowans. None of them are what could be called "big guys". Collison is probably the largest among these and at 6'10" 255 lbs, he's hardly a "big guy" by NBA standards, or even college standards for that matter.

Kyle Korver may be an import; his dad is from Iowa and was in California on a mission when Kyle was born. But Kyle's family moved to Pella when he was in 6th grade.

Edit: I just met a guy I work with who played collegiate ball at Bradley who is from Davenport West HS; he is 7'1" - a REAL big guy. Not many are 6" taller than I am.
 
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Adam said:
No matter what state Connor comes from he is an upgraded Williams. More confident, stronger, better IQ, better shot, better first step, better passing. Let's be honest. Williams was a fall back recruit. The idea was good but Williams is a late bloomer or a no bloomer at all. Connor on the other hand will be better than Williams is now on day 1. This is not a knock on Williams at all. I really like the kid and his loyalty to the team. He's going to stick around and try to help this team even though he knows he is only going to be a rotational player. That's a good kid in my book.
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I'll be eager to see which one of them is first off the bench next yr... The player I would compare CM with is Jeff Horner. A great ball handler/will run the offense well. Just the typical coaches kid. His size will help him a ton. He'll be a capable 3 pt shooter. I don't think he'll be great but he'll have some hot games. I don't see him as an overly explosive player but a really solid one. He won't be able to play the same way as he did in HS because he won't be guarded by smaller slower Iowa white kids at the next level. I take a lot of his highlights with a grain of salt when it comes to his driving due to the competition. But that don't mean he won't be a good player.
The saving grace for Williams is he is a great defender. If he can get any kind of jumper at all to be confident in even just a mid range game boy he could be a heck of a player too. Because he is fast and can get around guys. But if you don't have that Mark Jackson tear drop shot or mid range jumper you make it easy for the other teams to play you...
 
Hawkfnntn said:
I'll be eager to see which one of them is first off the bench next yr... The player I would compare CM with is Jeff Horner. A great ball handler/will run the offense well. Just the typical coaches kid. His size will help him a ton. He'll be a capable 3 pt shooter. I don't think he'll be great but he'll have some hot games. I don't see him as an overly explosive player but a really solid one. He won't be able to play the same way as he did in HS because he won't be guarded by smaller slower Iowa white kids at the next level. I take a lot of his highlights with a grain of salt when it comes to his driving due to the competition. But that don't mean he won't be a good player.
The saving grace for Williams is he is a great defender. If he can get any kind of jumper at all to be confident in even just a mid range game boy he could be a heck of a player too. Because he is fast and can get around guys. But if you don't have that Mark Jackson tear drop shot or mid range jumper you make it easy for the other teams to play you...
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I agree with just about every word. I didn't mean to sound like I was saying Connor had a college level explosive first step, because high school kids rarely do. I do think though when you have learned the skill at 1 talent level it is easier to adjust and elevate it at a higher level. That's pure opinion though. I still expect Connor to redshirt next year and I have stated why before. A solid player is all I ever really expected from Connor and if that's what we get I will be satisfied if not pleased. I also do believe that Williams has a place and a role on this team. Secure the ball, start the offense, hit open shots, break down the D off the dribble and be a defensive stalwart at the top of the zone. All of these roles are easily achievable. It is what we should all be expecting from a 6'6 junior.
 
Robowe said:
As I mentioned before, IC West played schools from Illinois, Missouri, and Minnesota in their non-conference games this year. They have to schedule these games because they can't get other Iowa 4A teams to play them.

West went 1-2 in these games this year. Connor seemed to score OK in these games.

1) Illinois (Connor had 19 points on 6-13 shooting) --> http://www.thegazette.com/iowa-city...ck-mccaffery-shows-off-improved-game-20161203

2) Missouri (Connor had 21 points on 7-14 shooting) --> http://www.stltoday.com/sports/high...cle_ff907c22-f0ca-11e6-b43a-038104cebf76.html

3) Minnesota (Connor had 22 points on 7-15 shooting) --> http://www.mnbasketballhub.com/game/show/16209383?subseason=316130
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I didn't see that. The Marian win was a decent win though it was at home. The Webster (my wife's alma mater) was a good loss if there is one, but again at home.

Marian in their league is a crap shoot. Those teams are all over the board, but usually very athletic but very disorganized. They did lose a good to a pretty decent Bloomington team in a good game.

Webster went out of state to Champaign Central, a good, but not great team with a 4 star Tim Finke.

Bloomington and Central are above average, but not great IL teams. Webster is a good MO team.

Not a bad showing at all. Shows something. Was a lot of travel and teams sometimes don't do well after long travel.

If IA opened up the schedule more, it would make a big difference.
 
Knight78 said:
So you're saying that teams in the states surrounding Iowa play 50+ games per year? I call bull. Not including the games included during their state tournament run, states allow from 20-25 games per year depending upon the state and sometimes count four team holiday tournaments as one game.

The Illinois state champion for the largest school classification was 25-5, for Wisconsin they were 24-4, for Minnesota they were 30-2, for South Dakota they were 22-3, for Nebraska they were 23-4 and for Missouri they were 25-2. And for Iowa? IC West was 23-3. So tell me, which of the surrounding states plays "2x the games in a year that Iowa High Schools"? (You can't even point to a state that plays 30 regular season games.) Oh, and Indiana (where Nunge is from in case you forgot) the state champ in the largest division was 24-5.
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Illinois teams usually play 35-37 games including 1 round in playoffs.

Iowa teams ususally play low 20s.
 
HawkGold said:
Illinois teams usually play 35-37 games including 1 round in playoffs.

Iowa teams ususally play low 20s.
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Did you even read my post? The Illinois state champ ended their season with a 25-5 record. That includes ALL games including the state championship game. That's a 30 game season. IC West ended their season with a 23-3 record. That's 26 games. Maybe you're using common core math, but 26 x 2 is NOT 30. And 30 games is not 35-37 games.

Oh, I'm sorry. I just found I made a mistake. Chicago (Whitney Young) defeated Palatine (Fremd) to win the Illinois class 4A boys' basketball championship. (Palatine was making a bid to become the first undefeated team to win the state championship in several years) It was the 31st game for both teams. Chicago (Whitney Young) finished 26-5 and Palatine (Fremd) finished 30-1. I watched a lot of this game as it was carried by a local Quad Cities station. But still, 26 x 2 is NOT 31. And 31 games is not 35-37 games.
 
Knight78 said:
Did you even read my post? The Illinois state champ ended their season with a 25-5 record. That includes ALL games including the state championship game. That's a 30 game season. IC West ended their season with a 23-3 record. That's 26 games. Maybe you're using common core math, but 26 x 2 is NOT 30. And 30 games is not 35-37 games.

Oh, I'm sorry. I just found I made a mistake. Chicago (Whitney Young) defeated Palatine (Fremd) to win the Illinois class 4A boys' basketball championship. (Palatine was making a bid to become the first undefeated team to win the state championship in several years) It was the 31st game for both teams. Chicago (Whitney Young) finished 26-5 and Palatine (Fremd) finished 30-1. I watched a lot of this game as it was carried by a local Quad Cities station. But still, 26 x 2 is NOT 31. And 31 games is not 35-37 games.
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So basically Illinois teams play about 5-7 games more than Iowa HS teams. What does this matter anyway? Kids now play so much AAU ball, that these kids are playing year round, and playing plenty of basketball. Per usual Gold's point is a complete and total whiff.
 
HawkGold said:
I didn't see that. The Marian win was a decent win though it was at home. The Webster (my wife's alma mater) was a good loss if there is one, but again at home.

Marian in their league is a crap shoot. Those teams are all over the board, but usually very athletic but very disorganized. They did lose a good to a pretty decent Bloomington team in a good game.

Webster went out of state to Champaign Central, a good, but not great team with a 4 star Tim Finke.

Bloomington and Central are above average, but not great IL teams. Webster is a good MO team.

Not a bad showing at all. Shows something. Was a lot of travel and teams sometimes don't do well after long travel.

If IA opened up the schedule more, it would make a big difference.
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Marian was a home game for West. Webster was not (it was a neutral site - Overland Park, KS). Cretin-Durham Hall game was up in Minneapolis (not necessarily neutral).

Other Iowa teams have played out of state games. Each year there's some games played in Dubuque where schools will play teams across the border. DBQ Senior played a Wisconsin and Illinois teams last year. Hempstead played a couple of Wisconsin teams. Wahlert played a team from Madison. Linn-Mar played a game in Minneapolis as well.

With only 5 non-conference games for some teams, it is difficult to play much out of state competition. Honestly, the teams can play better competition in some of the team camps in the summer (the UNI team camp gets teams from Minneapolis every year). IC West, Linn-Mar, and Wahlert (just to name a few) play there every year and see some great competition.
 
deanvogs said:
Also you guys are all dicks. I keep coming here to talk about Nunge who I'm super excited about and all I see is crap about Illinois BB and Connor.
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We can't praise 1 recruit without admonishing another. Or at least some can't seem to.
 
Adam said:
We can't praise 1 recruit without admonishing another. Or at least some can't seem to.
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Reminds me of all the bashing of Jordan last year. I had my reservations, and have my reservations about players that come into Iowa, but I refuse to bash on them before they have even had a chance to show what they can do. It is silly, and really is based on zero knowledge of the player or their skills.
 
deanvogs said:
So basically Illinois teams play about 5-7 games more than Iowa HS teams. What does this matter anyway? Kids now play so much AAU ball, that these kids are playing year round, and playing plenty of basketball. Per usual Gold's point is a complete and total whiff.
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All states play AAU. AAU isn't about team work. My high school in Iowa plays 17 games plus tourney. I picked an IL HS that played 31 games this year and lost in the first round.

I'm curious, does Iowa h.s.'s get to play summer league? In Illinois they compete in leagues over the summer as teams against other teams and are allowed tournaments such as at Purdue where there are Indiana teams. I don't know if Iowa allows this.

Per usual, you insult. Rather be wrong than you.
 
HawkGold said:
All states play AAU. AAU isn't about team work. My high school in Iowa plays 17 games plus tourney. I picked an IL HS that played 31 games this year and lost in the first round.

I'm curious, does Iowa h.s.'s get to play summer league? In Illinois they compete in leagues over the summer as teams against other teams and are allowed tournaments such as at Purdue where there are Indiana teams. I don't know if Iowa allows this.

Per usual, you insult. Rather be wrong than you.
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Didn't insult you at all. You were completely wrong, just pointed out what everyone else is pointing out to you in this thread
 
HawkGold said:
All states play AAU. AAU isn't about team work. My high school in Iowa plays 17 games plus tourney. I picked an IL HS that played 31 games this year and lost in the first round.

I'm curious, does Iowa h.s.'s get to play summer league? In Illinois they compete in leagues over the summer as teams against other teams and are allowed tournaments such as at Purdue where there are Indiana teams. I don't know if Iowa allows this.

Per usual, you insult. Rather be wrong than you.
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I mentioned it in my post earlier. There are team camps (like at UNI) that teams go to and compete against teams from Minneapolis. There are also summer weekends where groups of teams meet and scrimmage/play games against other teams in Iowa as well. So, yes, it does happen in Iowa.
 
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