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ibahawkeye said:
This is the year for moral vicotries... you can continue to cheer for close games if you want but next year I'm looking to win some of these games we are competeing in and want to finish them with a W.
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I don't cheer for a close game, ever! I couldn't agree with you more about finishing some of these games with W's next season.
 
Sorry but with the exeption of Penn St. every other Big Ten team will still have more experience, depth, talent, ect. And Indiana will be respectable again soon.
 
koolhandlick said:
Sorry but with the exeption of Penn St. every other Big Ten team will still have more experience, depth, talent, ect. And Indiana will be respectable again soon.
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Why don't you jump on the bandwagon of one of those teams and spare yourself some Hawkeye misery? You could become:

Koolhandgopher
Koolhandbucky
Koohandsparty
Koolhandillini
Koolhandkitty
Koolhandbadger
Koolhandmaiznblue
Koolhandhoosier
Koolhandboilerup

I'm just sayin!!!
 
koolhandlick said:
Sorry but with the exeption of Penn St. every other Big Ten team will still have more experience, depth, talent, ect. And Indiana will be respectable again soon.
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And who knows who is staying or going pro either? That could affect a few teams and if other teams are going to rely on freshman to carry their team than good luck. Iowa will have experience in the starting five and will have to develop that depth. All other teams in the Big 10 could either lose seniors or could lose a player or two to the draft. I think you would have to wait and see after the season to determine what your saying. Iowa has a chance to beat Indiana twice this year so the table could lean our way since they to are young but lack experience.
 
koolhandlick said:
I could tell you to change your name to Kool Aid but it's pretty apparent you already have.
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So what you're saying is your sticking around? I'd rather be drinking Kool Aid than Pi$$ and Vinegar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(FOR FREDDY!!!!!!!!)
 
ibahawkeye said:
This is the year for moral vicotries... you can continue to cheer for close games if you want but next year I'm looking to win some of these games we are competeing in and want to finish them with a W.
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I don't cheer because close games that end in losses are what I'm satisfied with. I go and cheer these guys on for 2 reasons. 1. their hard work and dedication should be respected by all of us, whether it equates to wins or not. 2. the close losses, combined with our youth give me a lot of hope for the future. As a general rule: teams led by freshmen and sophomores don't win a lot of games, especially the close ones. That's just how it is. Yes, most of the other league teams will also have more experience and strength next year. But Ohio State is a team led by upperclassmen. So is MSU. And so are Purdue and Wisconsin. Those teams have the players with the saavy to close out games. Iowa's guys are still young, and don't yet know how to win. The football team was in the same shape for quite a long time until a chilly November afternoon of 2008. And now they are probably the most clutch team in the country.

If you don't have any faith at all, then why are you still paying any attention at all? If there's no hope, then f*ck the Hawkeyes, start living for Michigan State basketball. Because if you have no hope at all, then you can't call yourself a fan.
 
Me either, I don't get get excited during games anymore. I just watch games. My enthusiasm for Iowa bb has dropped considerably since big lick has brought slow keepaway boring bb to Iowa. If that is the style of bb that I will have to watch in the future, I will eventually drift away from Iowa bb completely and that will be too bad after more than 50 years. But if Iowa fans enjoy slow keepaway bb so be it. I don't and it appears there are thousands of others that don't either.
 
NewMexHawk said:
Me either, I don't get get excited during games anymore. I just watch games. My enthusiasm for Iowa bb has dropped considerably since big lick has brought slow keepaway boring bb to Iowa. If that is the style of bb that I will have to watch in the future, I will eventually drift away from Iowa bb completely and that will be too bad after more than 50 years. But if Iowa fans enjoy slow keepaway bb so be it. I don't and it appears there are thousands of others that don't either.
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If you have been following Iowa basketball for 50 years you should be used to slow keep away ball. I remember when games were not on tv and you had to listen to them on the radio and teams like MSU would pull it out and run 4 corners offense in the first half before there was a shot clock. Halftime scores were in the single digits to low teens at times.
 
tm3308 said:
I don't cheer because close games that end in losses are what I'm satisfied with. I go and cheer these guys on for 2 reasons. 1. their hard work and dedication should be respected by all of us, whether it equates to wins or not. 2. the close losses, combined with our youth give me a lot of hope for the future. As a general rule: teams led by freshmen and sophomores don't win a lot of games, especially the close ones. That's just how it is. Yes, most of the other league teams will also have more experience and strength next year. But Ohio State is a team led by upperclassmen. So is MSU. And so are Purdue and Wisconsin. Those teams have the players with the saavy to close out games. Iowa's guys are still young, and don't yet know how to win. The football team was in the same shape for quite a long time until a chilly November afternoon of 2008. And now they are probably the most clutch team in the country.

If you don't have any faith at all, then why are you still paying any attention at all? If there's no hope, then f*ck the Hawkeyes, start living for Michigan State basketball. Because if you have no hope at all, then you can't call yourself a fan.
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At some point you have to cheer for more than hard work and dedication.
When I said that this was the year for moral victories, I was giving this year as a free pass. Next year we won't be lead by sophomores and freshman, but rather juniors and sophomore with a lot of experience. Thus, why I expect more from the team for next year and why I think some of these close losses can transform into wins, which gives me faith. Since I do have faith.. can I call myself a fan?
 
ibahawkeye said:
At some point you have to cheer for more than hard work and dedication.
When I said that this was the year for moral victories, I was giving this year as a free pass. Next year we won't be lead by sophomores and freshman, but rather juniors and sophomore with a lot of experience. Thus, why I expect more from the team for next year and why I think some of these close losses can transform into wins, which gives me faith. Since I do have faith.. can I call myself a fan?
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Nothing wrong with these comments!
 
ibahawkeye said:
At some point you have to cheer for more than hard work and dedication.
When I said that this was the year for moral victories, I was giving this year as a free pass. Next year we won't be lead by sophomores and freshman, but rather juniors and sophomore with a lot of experience. Thus, why I expect more from the team for next year and why I think some of these close losses can transform into wins, which gives me faith. Since I do have faith.. can I call myself a fan?
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I'm sorry, I misinterpreted your post. It's easy to do with all the negativity surrounding this team right now. And I'm getting frustrated with so many fans' lack of faith. So again, I apologize.
 
So, we should all just close our eyes and pretend what Lick is/has doing to this program really isn't happening? I have no problem with people wanting, hoping and believing Lick can turn this around. I hope they are right.

But, after 3 years he has not shown me one positive thing he has done for Iowa basketball....not one. I guess I just don't see how all of a sudden we're going to wake-up a year later and everything has changed.

The bottom line is he is paid to win games. When he doesn't, people will criticize. It goes with the territory of being a D-1 head coach, so I'm not sure why a few get upset when others voice concerns about a coach that isn't just not winning games, but leading this program to the worst 3 year stretch in the history of the program.

The bottom line is there are many Alford haters on this site that were bound and determined that any coach would be better than him. Now that it hasn't worked out, they have a really tough time swallowing the "I'm wrong pill". It's understandable, as it's difficult for most to admit when they are wrong.
 
I have my opinion on what's happening with the basketball program, and right now it is this: We are in the worst 3-year stretch of basketball in the history of the program, Lickliter has had serious issues with player retention regardless of who the fault for that lies with (players, coaches, or both), and the recruiting thusfar has been mediocre, although I can admit that next year's class certainly appears to be Lickliter's best so far. We'll see how they pan out in the Big Ten, but I won't hand out any accolades until I see these guys in action.

Things can maybe improve next year, how much I can't say, but hopefully it will be a lot. It's going to have to be.

I am very unhappy with the way things are going with the program, and it is going to take more than just a team that plays hard for me to feel otherwise. I can live with the good effort and playing well enough to not get blown out for this year as long as the team is improving, but next year, things will have to be different. We'll need to see quite a few more W's next year for me to support this coaching staff.

It is my considered opinion that it doesn't take this long to get a system in place. Raveling's players did just fine in year 1 of Tom Davis' system, didn't they? Why didn't those guys struggle? I think I know the answer, but it just thought I'd throw that out there. Why should it take FIVE years for Lickliter to get his system in place? To win consistently and get us to the NCAA's, maybe I can agree with that. But not 5 years simply to implement your system.

That is my opinion, and while others will certainly disagree, the one and only thing that can change my mind is a team that starts to win games.

I'm starting to think that it may be better for me to stay away from these message boards while things are the way they are. I just don't think it's healthy to spend so much time arguing with people and getting worked up over what another anonymous message board user has to say. Is it really worth the aggravation? Life's too short.
 
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koolhandlick said:
I could tell you to change your name to Kool Aid but it's pretty apparent you already have.
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Thank you for being one of the few rational basketball fans on this board. Between Forever's ridiculous use of "!'s" and a general lack of basketball knowledge it gets frustrating to follow Iowa basketball through this site.

The thing is, everyone in the Big Ten is going to be better next season as well. We can just go through the list if you would like.

Illinois- Return everyone but Keller and add three 4 * players and a Top 25 class.

Indiana- Lose Dumes- Bring in two 3 * recruits and return the conferences top frosh in Mo Creek.

Iowa- Return everyone but Bawinkle from a tenth place finish. Add four three * recruits which will most likely be around a top 40 class when all is said and done in the spring.

Michigan- Lose Sims, Gibson, and Cronin might be done for his career. Harris may go pro, but I would highly doubt it after this season. They add one 3 * and one 4*. IMO, Michigan is on the downward slide and this is a program that Iowa could pass in the near future.

Michigan State- Lose Morgan and possibly Lucas to the NBA. Replace them with a 5* center, one 4 *, and two 3 *'s. Top 25 class. Obviously it is no sure thing that Lucas would leave early but when if he goes they have a huge whole at the pg spot if Appling doesn't live up to his potential.

Minnesota- Lose Bostick, Johnson, Westbrook. They add two 3*'s. Who knows what will happen with 5* White as well. Losing Westbrook will be tough but they are also in contention for one of the top prospects in the county (or Canada in this case).

Northwestern- Lose Nash. They add Coble and Ryan who are redshirting this season as well as a 4* guard prospect. Obviously adding Coble is adding one of the better players in the league.

Ohio State- Lose Hill, Simmons, Madsen, and most likely POY Turner. They add the number one recruiting class in the nation with two 5* big's, one 4 *, and two 3*'s. Losing Turner hurts but bringing in the top rated center in the country helps off set that loss.

Penn State- lose no one. They add one 3* guard who is related to Battle I believe. They have no where to go but up.

Purdue- Lose Kramer and Grant. There is the possibility that they could lose Johnson, Moore, or Hummel. I see Johnson being the one who would bolt would be a huge loss. They add two 4* players and two 3* players. Top 25 class.

Wisconsin- Lose Bohannon and Hughes. The emergence of Taylor as a stud really helps offset the loss of their starting back court. They add three 3* prospects as well as Bo Ryan's model of continued success no matter the losses of talent.

Where are people seeing this ten win improvement next season then? Do win's versus horrible teams really make you feel better about the program?
Every team is going to improve in the off season. I know this might surprise some people but Iowa is not the only team they will add weight and talent during the summer months.

As for waiting for NBA early entrees, there really aren't that many prospects in the Big Ten this season. Turner seems like the only lock to go. Harris has been disappointing and who knows what will come of the Purdue juniors?

This year the Big Ten had a down year recruiting, that is not the case next season, so again are Iowa's newcomer's really enough to move up that much? You have to look beyond the Iowa program, and really Michigan seems to be the only program going down hill, so where does that mean Iowa will be next season?
 
IAJay said:
Thank you for being one of the few rational basketball fans on this board. Between Forever's ridiculous use of "!'s" and a general lack of basketball knowledge it gets frustrating to follow Iowa basketball through this site.

The thing is, everyone in the Big Ten is going to be better next season as well. We can just go through the list if you would like.

Illinois- Return everyone but Keller and add three 4 * players and a Top 25 class.

Indiana- Lose Dumes- Bring in two 3 * recruits and return the conferences top frosh in Mo Creek.

Iowa- Return everyone but Bawinkle from a tenth place finish. Add four three * recruits which will most likely be around a top 40 class when all is said and done in the spring.

Michigan- Lose Sims, Gibson, and Cronin might be done for his career. Harris may go pro, but I would highly doubt it after this season. They add one 3 * and one 4*. IMO, Michigan is on the downward slide and this is a program that Iowa could pass in the near future.

Michigan State- Lose Morgan and possibly Lucas to the NBA. Replace them with a 5* center, one 4 *, and two 3 *'s. Top 25 class. Obviously it is no sure thing that Lucas would leave early but when if he goes they have a huge whole at the pg spot if Appling doesn't live up to his potential.

Minnesota- Lose Bostick, Johnson, Westbrook. They add two 3*'s. Who knows what will happen with 5* White as well. Losing Westbrook will be tough but they are also in contention for one of the top prospects in the county (or Canada in this case).

Northwestern- Lose Nash. They add Coble and Ryan who are redshirting this season as well as a 4* guard prospect. Obviously adding Coble is adding one of the better players in the league.

Ohio State- Lose Hill, Simmons, Madsen, and most likely POY Turner. They add the number one recruiting class in the nation with two 5* big's, one 4 *, and two 3*'s. Losing Turner hurts but bringing in the top rated center in the country helps off set that loss.

Penn State- lose no one. They add one 3* guard who is related to Battle I believe. They have no where to go but up.

Purdue- Lose Kramer and Grant. There is the possibility that they could lose Johnson, Moore, or Hummel. I see Johnson being the one who would bolt would be a huge loss. They add two 4* players and two 3* players. Top 25 class.

Wisconsin- Lose Bohannon and Hughes. The emergence of Taylor as a stud really helps offset the loss of their starting back court. They add three 3* prospects as well as Bo Ryan's model of continued success no matter the losses of talent.

Where are people seeing this ten win improvement next season then? Do win's versus horrible teams really make you feel better about the program?
Every team is going to improve in the off season. I know this might surprise some people but Iowa is not the only team they will add weight and talent during the summer months.

As for waiting for NBA early entrees, there really aren't that many prospects in the Big Ten this season. Turner seems like the only lock to go. Harris has been disappointing and who knows what will come of the Purdue juniors?

This year the Big Ten had a down year recruiting, that is not the case next season, so again are Iowa's newcomer's really enough to move up that much? You have to look beyond the Iowa program, and really Michigan seems to be the only program going down hill, so where does that mean Iowa will be next season?
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You should probably stick to Creighton then.
 
You should really understand Shada's motive by now. He doesn't want logical discussion about Iowa basketball, as it makes every post he makes look very foolish. He's only looking for people to back-up whatever he types and whenever facts are presented, he has no other reply other than to call names. Same story, every post.....predictable, very predictable. Actually, childish, very, very childish.
 
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