ISU showing what happens when you live by the 3
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SpiderRico
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ISU has played 4 ranked teams at home: Michigan, Iowa, Baylor and Kansas. In those 4 home games, ISU has attempted a total of 45 more free throws than their opponents. Over 11 more FT per game.
Iowa has played 4 ranked teams on the road/neutral sites: Villanova, ISU, Wisconsin and OSU. In the 4 games combined, Iowa attempted 32 FEWER free throws than the opponent. An average of 8 fewer FT per game. The games we lost, we lost by 5 in OT, 3, and 4.
So to hear ISU complain one iota about officiating is laughable.
HawkMD2007
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We do have our share of home cookin' when it comes to reffing too...
For Notre Dame, Nebraska-Omaha, Nebraska, and Northwestern the Hawks shot 153 FT's (made 112). The opponents shot 78! Hell, for ND alone it was 49 to 16.
Makavelihawk
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What? We shot 29 ft's vs. ND and they shot 19?? Iowa also outrebounded ND by 10. As I stated, a discrepancy in FT's/Fouls is normal, but it has to make sense with he rest of the statistical story. The Kansas/Iowa vs. ISU games don't make sense as part of that story.
tm3308
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1. As someone else has pointed out, we've gotten a pretty big advantage in FT's against teams with a pulse in Carver.
2. I was referring to the Super Bowl comment, not the FT disparity. ISU beat the **** out of Baylor after beating Iowa, and looked much better in that game than they did against the Hawks.
SpiderRico
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I'm not sure what you were looking at there, but the free throw difference for the Notre Dame game was 29-19 in favor of Iowa. A difference, yes. But let's see what happens when the "big boys" come to Carver, that's the point I was getting at. It's one thing to shoot 10-15 more free throws than Nebraska-Omaha, it's another thing to shoot 10-15 more than the "big boys". I highly doubt we will see a 45 FT differential over a 4 game stretch when we play, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Michigan State and Michigan at home.
You watch the game last night? Your front court was gassed last night, they looked totally worn out by the end of the game which I'm sure contributed to their poor shooting and getting killed on the boards. There's a reason teams don't try to go with a 3 man frontcourt rotation. You're 4 games into the conference season and they are already looking like they're hitting a wall. You can get by with a small lineup logging heavy minutes against the BYU's and Boise St's of the world, but not against B12 teams.
SpiderRico
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We've played exactly zero ranked teams at home, compared to ISU playing 4. I'll certainly take back some of what I've said here if we end up with a combined 45 FT advantage against OSU, MSU, Wisconsin and Michigan when we play them at home.
tm3308
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For all the fun some posters here make of ISU fans for blaming refs, it's hilarious to see some still want to claim ISU gets an unfair advantage from the refs at home.
ISU shot 34 FT's, but 27 of those were taken by Kane (who does attack the basket) and Hogue/Ejim, who spend most of their time in the paint and Embiid is notorious for racking up fouls (11 games this year with at least 4 fouls and he's fouled out three times).
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Benddontbreak
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This loss does not fall on Iowa State just having an “off night” shooting the ball (as much as Des Moines sports will try to tell you). Kansas is a really tough matchup for them personnel-wise, and they were forced into taking bad, contested, out of rhythm shots. Kansas looked like the much better team and I would fully expect a double digit win in Lawrence.
Sirhouseman
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Chatted with an ISU buddy during the game last night and he was pretty pizzed at Hoiberg for not going to his bench at all. It seemed like he stubbornly kept allowing them (especially Niang) to jack threes hoping to get hot. Like he said, ISU looks pretty good when they're hitting, but their style is UGO when they're not. That was the ugliest 7 point loss I can remember. It felt more like 20.
SheagleHawk
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Agreed. Their fans are incredibly annoying. ISU guards, when they did drive, got every call while Kansas got mugged all the time on the way to the hoop and no call.
DP5555
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Isn't this the point of the entire thread? If ISU is knocking down their 3's they are absolutely one of the best teams in the country. It opens up the floor for Kane to get to the hoop and for Niang/Ejim to become effective. They shot 40% from 3 pt. land against Baylor, Kane had 30, Ejim had 18, and Niang had 9. That game is a perfect example of how good the Cyclones can be IF they are hitting their 3's.
However, if teams can manage to make their 3's at least contested then they are a very, very beatable team. That Baylor game was the result of them having absolutely everything working for them on offense. Great teams can win big games in a couple different ways. I'm not sure Iowa State has a back-up plan if the long ball isn't going down.
tm3308
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That comment was in reference to someone saying the Iowa game was ISU's Super Bowl. Clearly, that's ********, since they dominated a top-10 team at home just a week ago.
Stanzi
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Your point is pretty much null and void since Kansas consistently attacks the basket, and Embiid is almost always in the paint. Wiggins drives as much as Kane.
LG210
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Plus there is no Super Bowl in basketball--at any level.
LG210
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Do you think that if you live long enough in Lawrence that you get to call it "Larry"?
SpiderRico
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It's not the number of free throws ISU shot, necessarily, it was the complete lack of free throws for Kansas. Call it tight, or call it loose, but call it the same way for each team. This is why it's so gd hard to win on the road. The refs don't even make an attempt anymore to be fair. You may as well just go into every game knowing you're going to shoot somewhere between 10 and 15 fewer free throws than the home team. It's amazing that the one game where the refs called the game pretty evenly (Iowa vs OSU...a 2 FT disparity in favor of OSU), Iowa won going away. I don't mind getting beat by better teams, but I do mind getting beat on the road because the home team gets a potential 10-15 point opportunity advantage.
tm3308
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Or maybe ISU just doesn't foul as much as Kansas? I mean, are we really going to suggest that ISU is favored by the refs over KANSAS?
SpiderRico
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At home? With those goomba fans? You're darn right we're suggesting that.
