ISU/Iowa.. Round 2

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Okay Hawk fans round 2 of whose got the better units

QB- Toss
because each QB fits their respective system, give each Qb time and they look awesome.
RB- ISU
I would like to give ISU the slight edge this one,
TE- ISU
We got a good core of TE's coming back in 2010 and have a few JUCO's that will fill in well for Catlett
WR- Iowa
Unlike ISU you guys have some real fine receivers that can create separation down field and can take a 5 yard slant to the house
OL- ISU/Iowa
We only lose Stephens, Iowa will always develop linemen into good players but since we have quite a bit coming back i'll give it to ISU or Iowa
Iowa always developes good linemen and seems like you can lose some and 2 more are always ready to play

Defensive Side now.
DL- Iowa
Clayborne is a man. enough said.
LB-Iowa
Nice unit returning and your backers swarm to the ball and can drop into coverage pretty well.
Secondary- Toss
Iowa has a lot coming back minus Spivey,
ISU has a lot coming and hopefully will be a better unit all together.

what do you think HawkeyNation?
Fair?
 
ISUFB said:
Okay Hawk fans round 2 of whose got the better units

QB- Toss
because each QB fits their respective system, give each Qb time and they look awesome.
RB- ISU
I would like to give ISU the slight edge this one,
TE- ISU
We got a good core of TE's coming back in 2010 and have a few JUCO's that will fill in well for Catlett
WR- Iowa
Unlike ISU you guys have some real fine receivers that can create separation down field and can take a 5 yard slant to the house
OL- ISU/Iowa
We only lose Stephens, Iowa will always develop linemen into good players but since we have quite a bit coming back i'll give it to ISU or Iowa
Iowa always developes good linemen and seems like you can lose some and 2 more are always ready to play

Defensive Side now.
DL- Iowa
Clayborne is a man. enough said.
LB-Iowa
Nice unit returning and your backers swarm to the ball and can drop into coverage pretty well.
Secondary- Toss
Iowa has a lot coming back minus Spivey,
ISU has a lot coming and hopefully will be a better unit all together.

what do you think HawkeyNation?
Fair?
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Agree for the most part except i think Iowa's secondary is much better than ISU's. I also think Stanzi is much better than Arnaud but i dont want to turn this thread into a Stanzi argument....which it most likely will be anyways

I think you could also argue that ISU will have a better o line than Iowa. At least initially, until the newcomers show what they can do

Other than that its pretty fair. Before anyone argues about RB just remember that Robinson for ISU is better than anyone we have
 
Not really sure what the point of this thread is, but I will bite.


Arnaud gets overly excited in big games at big moments causing him to have a propensity for turnovers. Stanzi is turnover proned as well, however, crucial moments in games I would take Stanzi. Have no problem with the position of given the respective offenses that each guy is better suited for that offense. It is a Dean Oliver/Jamaal Tinsley who would rather have type debate.

Defensively, You will miss Jesse Smith, I thought he was an overrated undersize DL playing linebacker, but I was clearly wrong he played well last year. Must have been the system Wally Burnham employs.

I could go on with this, but I will bottom line it for you. Iowa is the better team and will probably win at Kinnick this year. If Arnaud continues to get baited into trying to make those deep throws against the Iowa zones, it will be 18 quarters since Iowa St. last scored a touchdown in this rivalry.
 
busabus114 said:
Agree for the most part except i think Iowa's secondary is much better than ISU's. I also think Stanzi is much better than Arnaud but i dont want to turn this thread into a Stanzi argument....which it most likely will be anyways

I think you could also argue that ISU will have a better o line than Iowa. At least initially, until the newcomers show what they can do

Other than that its pretty fair. Before anyone argues about RB just remember that Robinson for ISU is better than anyone we have
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By Robinson on ISU being better you mean... statistically? Because with the three runners on Iowa that will get most of the carries I see this advantage going to Iowa. All subjective of course, but I completely disagree with that stance.

Also, the secondary isn't a discussion- "ISU has a lot coming and hopefully will be a better unit all together". Key word... "hopefully"... not going any further, game over- advantage Iowa

QB Play... hard to fault a guy for WINNING all the time- advantzi stanzi! Oh, not to mention better win %, efficiency rating, yards (despite one less game) TD long, more TD passes, and avg yards per game in 09.

I guess that is equaled by having 2 more int's and 2pts less completion pct? no, wait... let's all wake up... advantage Iowa.
 
The only thing I would disagree on is RB, if anything I would have that as a push and maybe slight advantage Iowa because while ISU goes with 1 guy most of the time and Iowa will use 2 and probably 3 this year. Iowa put up the same numbers rushing as ISU but used more than 1 guy. Yes ISU's Arob will probably be the best back on the field but we are comparing units and not individuals.
 
Well, from what little I saw of Arnaud, he appears to be a good QB for Hawk fans as he had several completions to our defense.
 
I think the real question is: WHO CARES? lol

I'll give you the "toss" on QB, but RB? I might see what you mean about Alexander being one of the best in the Big12, but I somehow see him outperforming the IA RBs in next season's game. Wouldn't you consider the depth and experience for IA to be the final straw tipping that scale in iowa's favor?

Arnaud is a local kid, and deserves respect, but I PRAY for your sakes he grows up enough to not make as many mistakes. Touche' though, same w/ our QB. lol

LBs, not sure. Adv ISU because of actual starting experience maybe

Same @ OL for ISU. Maybe it's even because of the "iowa program & history", but as far as starts go, should be even, until the season comes around & we can see this new line form. Remember, we'll have a new center - the hardest position to replace.

Secondary? We lose Spivey, but look for Prater/Sash/Greenwood to pick up for Jordan bernstine - who "supposedly" should turn out to be a 'decent' CB... ;-)
 
This is the way I see it:

Coaching Staff - Iowa
QB - Iowa (you can't argue statistics)
RB - Toss (I do agree Alexander is probably the best proven runner, but Iowa has ISU killed in proven depth. Fresher legs through the season well led to a better running game down the stretch.)
TE - ISU (I know nothing about ISU's TE so I'll render judgement to ISUFB on this one. Reisner played well while Tony was out last year and I can't wait to see CJ play.)
WR - Iowa
OL - Toss (at least right now)
Special Teams - Iowa (ranked 9th nationally in kick coverage and 21st nationally in punt coverage last year. Plus returners DJK, Paul Chaney, Wegher, and Sandeman are all back.)
DL - Iowa (even w/ one hand tied behind their backs)
LB - Iowa (only starting returner though is Hunter so they will be unexperienced. I believe the DL will probably make them look more experienced than they are.)
DB - Iowa (the starting unit is already great and you stated "ISU has a lot coming & hopefully will be better" I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that is a toss.
Home field advantage - Iowa

Bottom line is Iowa should win this football game by double digits, but we all know how that line of thinking has bit us in the A$$ in this game before.
 
ISUFB said:
Okay Hawk fans round 2 of whose got the better units

QB- Toss
because each QB fits their respective system, give each Qb time and they look awesome.
RB- ISU
I would like to give ISU the slight edge this one,
TE- ISU
We got a good core of TE's coming back in 2010 and have a few JUCO's that will fill in well for Catlett
WR- Iowa
Unlike ISU you guys have some real fine receivers that can create separation down field and can take a 5 yard slant to the house
OL- ISU/Iowa
We only lose Stephens, Iowa will always develop linemen into good players but since we have quite a bit coming back i'll give it to ISU or Iowa
Iowa always developes good linemen and seems like you can lose some and 2 more are always ready to play

Defensive Side now.
DL- Iowa
Clayborne is a man. enough said.
LB-Iowa
Nice unit returning and your backers swarm to the ball and can drop into coverage pretty well.
Secondary- Toss
Iowa has a lot coming back minus Spivey,
ISU has a lot coming and hopefully will be a better unit all together.

what do you think HawkeyNation?
Fair?
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I will play this game but......always a but isn't there....... this is a completely inaccurate evaluation. It appears to be a case of the little red headed step child trying to compare themselves to the super model older sister.

QB: Arnaud is not a toss up with Stanzi. Stats are not close and Stanzi wins, plain and simple. Advantage Iowa.
RB: Sure Alexander Robinson may be a better back than anyone on Iowa's roster (All of whom are Sophmores or younger). But Iowa has 3 very solid proben Big 10 backs as well as a big time RB recruit (Name escapes now, guy from MD??). I would take the plethora of solid backs over one good back. In the case of injury or ineffectiveness Iowa can plug someone else in that will be effective. ISU cannot. Advantage for position: Iowa.
TE: Who is ISU's last tight end in the NFL? Nuff said, Iowa grooms them. Not to mention Fedowictz (Sp?). Argument over. Advantage: Iowa.
OL: I will give a toss up on this, but will again ask who ISU's last o-lineman was to get drafted? Iowa too grooms this position. Iowa may take a little longer to come together this year with new faces. But Iowa has superior talent along the o-line. Advantage: Toss up, eventually Iowa.
DB: Again, Iowa is superior. They have a 1st Team All Big 10 safety back in Sash. Greenwood has started 25+ games at safety as is very good. Prater and Bernstine are better corners than anyone on ISU's roster. Advantage: Iowa.

Iowa is a far better team all around, there should be no question about it. It kind of bothers me that this comparison is even being made. Maybe a comparison of ISU and Minnesota would lead to a more sensible debate.
 
ISUFB said:
Okay Hawk fans round 2 of whose got the better units

QB- Toss
because each QB fits their respective system, give each Qb time and they look awesome.
RB- ISU
I would like to give ISU the slight edge this one,
TE- ISU
We got a good core of TE's coming back in 2010 and have a few JUCO's that will fill in well for Catlett
WR- Iowa
Unlike ISU you guys have some real fine receivers that can create separation down field and can take a 5 yard slant to the house
OL- ISU/Iowa
We only lose Stephens, Iowa will always develop linemen into good players but since we have quite a bit coming back i'll give it to ISU or Iowa
Iowa always developes good linemen and seems like you can lose some and 2 more are always ready to play

Defensive Side now.
DL- Iowa
Clayborne is a man. enough said.
LB-Iowa
Nice unit returning and your backers swarm to the ball and can drop into coverage pretty well.
Secondary- Toss
Iowa has a lot coming back minus Spivey,
ISU has a lot coming and hopefully will be a better unit all together.

what do you think HawkeyNation?
Fair?
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Not bad...I'd give Iowa the nod though on anything defensively...no toss ups there. I agree that you have the best RB in the state, but I'd take Iowa's RB corp on the whole...47 RBs is hard to beat! I'd also give the nod to Stanzi, no push there either...not based on talent, but on the "git'er done" factor...let's not forget that in your team's biggest win of the season, Austen wasn't even on the field. I think he's going to be MUCH improved this season however, and he'll put the fear of god into some teams...*cough* NEBRASKA *cough*...

As for TE, yes Iowa loses Tony Moeaki, but along with RB and LB, TE is loaded with depth and CJ Fiedorwicz may be the best of the group and he hasn't even caught a ball yet. And I agree that at this point OL is a push, if not an advantage ISU due to graduation and early departures in IC.

This may sound as though I'm somehow "dissin'" ISU, but I'm not...they're just not there yet...on their way, yes...but the talent gap is still sizeable at this point.
 
Bill Bliel(ISU o-line coach) got the clones to improve the ground game in 2009 by something like 50 or 60 yards per game. ISU just could not run worth a snot under Chizik, which is his bread and butter. I expect great things on the ground this fall.

The worlds largest question mark sits on the depth chart behind Alexander Robinson right now. Robinson can do it all, and if no one emerges will be called upon to do so. His health is key if the Clones want to go to a bowl game next winter.

The other position ISU could be pretty good at is DB. Simms IIRC was B12 defensive newcomer of the year (makes plays and big hits), and Johnson isn't a liability at corner. Strange I'm saying it, but O'Connell despite what he lacks as an athlete is becoming a favorite of mine and is in the right place to make a play more often than not. I don't wanna call him a Jesse Smith at DB, but he's in that mold.
 
I'm sorry, but this is completely ridiculous. On paper, Iowa is superior in every way (with the possible exception of TE). I realize it's a rivalry game, but that's irrelevant at the current date. I am not an ISU hater (I root for them when they're not playing Iowa), but barring some major incident, they don't have a prayer next fall.
 
taekwonthis said:
This is the way I see it:

Coaching Staff - Iowa
QB - Iowa (you can't argue statistics)
RB - Toss (I do agree Alexander is probably the best proven runner, but Iowa has ISU killed in proven depth. Fresher legs through the season well led to a better running game down the stretch.)
TE - ISU (I know nothing about ISU's TE so I'll render judgement to ISUFB on this one. Reisner played well while Tony was out last year and I can't wait to see CJ play.)
WR - Iowa
OL - Toss (at least right now)
Special Teams - Iowa (ranked 9th nationally in kick coverage and 21st nationally in punt coverage last year. Plus returners DJK, Paul Chaney, Wegher, and Sandeman are all back.)
DL - Iowa (even w/ one hand tied behind their backs)
LB - Iowa (only starting returner though is Hunter so they will be unexperienced. I believe the DL will probably make them look more experienced than they are.)
DB - Iowa (the starting unit is already great and you stated "ISU has a lot coming & hopefully will be better" I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that is a toss.
Home field advantage - Iowa

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This seems like a better analysis than the OP... but of course I wasn't going to side with a clone fan.
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What is always fascinating about this game is that, over the years, it just doesn't matter who has the better team on paper.

I firmly believe that Iowa has the better team "on paper", but we all know that Iowa State will come in to Iowa City and play inspired ball, just like Northern Iowa did this year.

I predict a close, hard fought game. Last year was very unusual; most of the Iowa-Iowa State games over the past decade have been pretty close contests.

If Iowa State can beat Nebraska over there, they are capable of beating Iowa in Iowa City. Iowa will have to play a good game to win, IMO
 
ChosenChildren said:
What is always fascinating about this game is that, over the years, it just doesn't matter who has the better team on paper.

I firmly believe that Iowa has the better team "on paper", but we all know that Iowa State will come in to Iowa City and play inspired ball, just like Northern Iowa did this year.

I predict a close, hard fought game. Last year was very unusual; most of the Iowa-Iowa State games over the past decade have been pretty close contests.

If Iowa State can beat Nebraska over there, they are capable of beating Iowa in Iowa City. Iowa will have to play a good game to win, IMO
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Anyone can beat anyone in their own house if they give the ball over eight times to the visiting team. I'm not down playing that victory for ISU because it was historic and an awesome win for the program, but I don't think Iowa will be handing ISU the football eight times given the experience we have coming back on the offensive side of the ball. On paper, it should be a double digit win. In reality, Iowa will pull it off by a touchdown or a field goal. Either way, it will be a hard fought ball game like it usually is.
 
Igothawked said:
OL: I will give a toss up on this, but will again ask who ISU's last o-lineman was to get drafted? QUOTE]

Aaron Brant - Chicago Bears, 7th Round, 2007.

Per wikipedia:
Professional career
Picked in the last round of the 2007 NFL Draft by the Chicago Bears. Brant was waived on August 15, 2007. Brant was the first drafted player to be cut in their first season by General Manager Jerry Angelo. Brant currently is employed as a security guard at the Diamond Jo Casino in Dubuque, IA.
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