Is there a firebarta.com website anywhere

If he chose to make a move after this year, I would not have a problem with it. As he is choosing to not make a move, I have no problems with it. I want to see these new kids come in with the vets and see what they can do. Year four has to be a moving in the right direction season.

All this being said, even if Iowa basketball was operating at 14,000 to 15500 a night at CHA, the percentage of revenue that sport brings in compared to that of football is exponentially smaller. At least three to one. I think Iowa men's hoops revenues in 2005 were around 10 mil. Football, at the end of the 2008 season, was just shy of 40 mil.

I think Barta feels he can 'afford' another year with Todd..and I think from a financial standpoint he can...but long term, we will see how that works and what continuing effects that may have on the program in terms of support.

Football is the engine of the athletic department. And that engine is running quite smoothly. Get that new practice facility built for football, and its steady as she goes.

Because things cannot get much worse than they are right now, for basketball. The new practice facility is under construction, which is a step in the right direction. They are at the bottom, and they can probably afford it.
 
JonDMiller said:
If he chose to make a move after this year, I would not have a problem with it. As he is choosing to not make a move, I have no problems with it. I want to see these new kids come in with the vets and see what they can do. Year four has to be a moving in the right direction season.

All this being said, even if Iowa basketball was operating at 14,000 to 15500 a night at CHA, the percentage of revenue that sport brings in compared to that of football is exponentially smaller. At least three to one. I think Iowa men's hoops revenues in 2005 were around 10 mil. Football, at the end of the 2008 season, was just shy of 40 mil.

I think Barta feels he can 'afford' another year with Todd..and I think from a financial standpoint he can...but long term, we will see how that works and what continuing effects that may have on the program in terms of support.

Football is the engine of the athletic department. And that engine is running quite smoothly. Get that new practice facility built for football, and its steady as she goes.

Because things cannot get much worse than they are right now, for basketball. The new practice facility is under construction, which is a step in the right direction. They are at the bottom, and they can probably afford it.
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I'd be curious to see the last couple of seasons revenue versus expense for hoops. Then see YTD results for the current season. I doubt either is pretty.
 
Because if there is anything that makes good progress, it is starting a "Fire[insert name].com" website.

When has this course of action not worked?
 
DesMoinesHawki said:
I am very disappointed in Barta ... Despite a fan base is becoming non-existent he is basically telling everyone to "**** off" because he is not making a change ...
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Or maybe he has weighed the pros and cons and decided that whats best for Iowa bball is to keep Lick for another year

Just because he isnt firing him doesnt mean he doesnt give a **** about the fans. Cmon
 
JonDMiller said:
If he chose to make a move after this year, I would not have a problem with it. As he is choosing to not make a move, I have no problems with it. I want to see these new kids come in with the vets and see what they can do. Year four has to be a moving in the right direction season.

All this being said, even if Iowa basketball was operating at 14,000 to 15500 a night at CHA, the percentage of revenue that sport brings in compared to that of football is exponentially smaller. At least three to one. I think Iowa men's hoops revenues in 2005 were around 10 mil. Football, at the end of the 2008 season, was just shy of 40 mil.

I think Barta feels he can 'afford' another year with Todd..and I think from a financial standpoint he can...but long term, we will see how that works and what continuing effects that may have on the program in terms of support.

Football is the engine of the athletic department. And that engine is running quite smoothly. Get that new practice facility built for football, and its steady as she goes.

Because things cannot get much worse than they are right now, for basketball. The new practice facility is under construction, which is a step in the right direction. They are at the bottom, and they can probably afford it.
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A good part of me thinks that Lickliter can get it turned around...eventually. However, I don't believe it to be next year. I would say around .500 next year, but the problem there is that Carver will continue to be empty. I expect sells for season tickets to fall even more next year. The only thing that will bring the fans back is winning, consistently that is. I believe that is still at least a couple of years down the way.

Question is, can Barta go at least 2 more years before fans actually start filling Carver again. The lost revenue on that would be huge. Can he wait that long because that's what it will take.

IMO, it wouldn't be a bad idea to bring a coach like Keano Davis into the fold next year. A hire like Keano would instantly bring some fans back. I would estimate that Carver would have around 10000 actual bodies a night in it with his hiring. Fans recognize his play and the success he had back at Drake. They have seen the exciting brand of basketball he runs. Couple that with a young emerging roster with next years class coming in and I think it's a strike while the coal is hot method. The renewed optimism, coupled with a young team that is going to make strides and I think the fans would come back sooner than they would in sticking with Lickliter. Not saying I'm completely right, but I think it's plausible.
 
i posted this in another thread before i saw this one. i will tweak it slightly to reflect what has been mentioned here:

i'm trying to figure out what people want barta to do here. i see three options:

1. fire lickliter right now, bring in someone else.

2. keep lickliter but be tougher in the media: "this is unacceptable, here is what lickliter has to do next year," etc. a lot of posters seem to want this, based on the eruptions that occur whenever barta supports lick in the press.

3. keep lickliter, continue to support him publicly, but speak privately about a set of conditions that must be met next year to stay to year five.

#1 assumes that we have the money to buy him out (somewhere in the three million range), that we have the money to lure another coach, that there's another coach out there that has a more promising resume than lick did when he came in, and that we would be able to lure that coach with the promise of a still-unbuilt practice facility, an unproven roster (many of whom could transfer in a coaching change), and zero fan support. this theoretical coach would also have to be cool with the fact that we booted lick after three years and that he could get the same treatment.

i have no idea what #2 is supposed to accomplish other than cause even more turmoil in the basketball program and turn off potential recruits.

#3 makes lickliter accountable for substantial improvement next year without escalating this thing into a media circus. regardless of how you feel about lickliter and the roster he is assembling, i don't see a realistic alternative.

PatAdamovicz suggests lick do #1, bringing in keno davis. even if he would come, i don't see how that represents a clear step forward for the program. first, it will mean more roster turnover-- some guys will leave. second, keno has never shown he can recruit at a major-college level, which is seems to be complaint 1a or 1b against lickliter. do you really think 10,000 people would show up next year to watch matt gatens, jarryd cole, and a bunch of jucos/late signees, just because they are running a full-court press?
 
I know that back in 02 or 03 Iowa bb made about 6.2 million after expenses. I know that Barta budgeted for a million less in revenue this year than last...so I suspect net income for bb this year will be no more than 1.5 million or so... so,yes, football is doing well, but Barta cannot live with 4+ million of net income from bb just leaking away,year after year....lets contrast this with Wisky bb....2 years ago, Ryan was bragging about how Wisky bb nets 18 million/yr....so we are going to live with a net difference in income from bb between Wisky and Iowa of 16.5 million a year?
Iowa will lose in the arms race eventually at that clip.
 
OliveCourt, I don't think anybody leaves if you bring in Keano. He's a coach with personality and runs an exciting style. To me I think the players would welcome him. Not to mention, it's not like any of the players currently on the team had tons of other offers. But as I said, I bet they would remain.

The 10000 fan number may have been a little inflated, but I have no doubt that you would see an initial spike in numbers by a couple of thousand more, imo....I could be wrong, sure, but I do think the attendance would rise. Most fans have tuned out Lick ball as the numbers suggest.

Keano has proven to be a very good recruiter at Providence. That is probably one of the toughest places to recruit to at the BCS level. The Big East is generally regarded as the top conference in america and Providence is equal to the Penn St. of that conference. Keano will have trouble winning there just from that standpoint. I think no doubt he would come to Iowa. Doesn't Mr. Davis still live around the Iowa City area and plus has been involved with the program recently talking to the team. I would say the wounds of Bowlsby have healed.

Currently Keano has the #11 SG/51st ranked player in the Rivals 150 for 2010 in Gerald Coleman.

Again, I just think if Barta were to make a move, now wouldn't be a bad time. Much in the way Raveling left a host of young players for Tom Davis, Lickliter would be doing the same for Keano. Again, I'm not saying I'm right, it's just a thought that I think Barta would at least have to mull over. With the loss of revenue from empty seats for imo, at least 2 more years, I don't think the buyout is relevant.
 
Mabey Barta can afford another year of Lick but alot of the fans are letting him know that they aren't going to flip the bill.
 
Do you think that Barta really cares what a bunch of fans hiding behind their keyboards think? He has people that he has to anwser to. I'm sure that he has a plan for going forward that he has presented to his higher archy. It's nice to be able to come up with all this retoric, but in the end it really doesn't have any clout what so ever.
 
edgyhawk said:
Do you think that Barta really cares what a bunch of fans hiding behind their keyboards think? He has people that he has to anwser to. I'm sure that he has a plan for going forward that he has presented to his higher archy. It's nice to be able to come up with all this retoric, but in the end it really doesn't have any clout what so ever.
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So your saying that an arena that is only about a 25% full doesn't play a big part in his decision?
 
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